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Thompson or Shaw?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 5:26 pm
Who should be the starter next year Thompson or Shaw?
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 9:51 pm to MBGamecock
This really shouldn't be a question.
Shaw is our quarterback.
Shaw is our quarterback.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:22 pm to Bluefin
Sorry but the Offense looks much better when Thompson is in. Granted I know Shaw has been hurt this whole year. I just think Thompson is better passer.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:50 pm to Bluefin
Your a dumbasd if you can't see that it's a legitimate question.
Connor = same weak arse zone option read. Put your d in the box and make em go 3 and out all night.
Thompson = fun n gun, will make it so easy for our backs to run because the d is forced into coverage on every play.
In no game at Carolina have we ever thrown to 8 diff receivers.
Connor = same weak arse zone option read. Put your d in the box and make em go 3 and out all night.
Thompson = fun n gun, will make it so easy for our backs to run because the d is forced into coverage on every play.
In no game at Carolina have we ever thrown to 8 diff receivers.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:54 pm to Wholelottacock
Shaw is the leader - Thompson will get his chance at a bunch of starts once Shaw leaves.
We're very fortunate right now to have two worthy of this discussion. Next year we might have three.
This is the way big time programs are supposed to line-up QBs who are heir apparents.
We're very fortunate right now to have two worthy of this discussion. Next year we might have three.
This is the way big time programs are supposed to line-up QBs who are heir apparents.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:36 am to MBGamecock
Ideally, one of the two would become so awesome this offseason that he will be the clear cut starter. Shaw will have to get a stronger throwing arm to do that and learn more patience in the pocket. Dylan has an advantage in both those areas, but Shaw is a better scrambler, however, Dylan can move some as well.
So it's a give and take. I don't think 1 will establish himself next season. I would expect a QB rotation. I like it b/c it makes the other teams prepare for two QB styles. It would be great if we could get them in the same jersey number as well to really mess with the DC's. They'll focus more on who's coming out to play QB and lose focus on the other guys on the field.
So it's a give and take. I don't think 1 will establish himself next season. I would expect a QB rotation. I like it b/c it makes the other teams prepare for two QB styles. It would be great if we could get them in the same jersey number as well to really mess with the DC's. They'll focus more on who's coming out to play QB and lose focus on the other guys on the field.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:40 am to MBGamecock
I have been on the Shaw bandwagon since day one, and I will stick to that. However, Dylan is closing the gap. He is a better passer than Connor, especially on the deeper passes, but Connor brings more to the table with his ability to extend plays and be a threat running the ball. I know Dylan had the great scramble against Clemson, but the guy is still pretty slow. Overall, I would say that Shaw still needs to start until he has a major injury or a terrible game. Dylan was the hero the other day, but keep in mind that Connor made some outstanding plays to get us down the field and into that position.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:00 am to UpstateCock2007
Don't think either is significantly better than the other at this point. Will be a fun spring, that's for sure.
Shaw's biggest problem has been inability/unwillingness to pull the trigger on throws that have been there. Also has shown some arm strength issues (underthrown deep balls all season). Maybe the shoulder injury has been a factor there, who knows. When he does let it fly, he can be a pretty damn good passer though. And his running is a major threat when healthy though admittedly his decision making has been shaky on some of his reads in the zone-read and option.
The biggest thing Thompson has going for him is arm and willingness to push the ball downfield. Still, has taken some awful sacks and his accuracy has been shaky at times - see the 3-4 balls that could've or should've been picked off against Clemson and the other 3 or 4 that he skipped to open wideouts.
Shaw's biggest problem has been inability/unwillingness to pull the trigger on throws that have been there. Also has shown some arm strength issues (underthrown deep balls all season). Maybe the shoulder injury has been a factor there, who knows. When he does let it fly, he can be a pretty damn good passer though. And his running is a major threat when healthy though admittedly his decision making has been shaky on some of his reads in the zone-read and option.
The biggest thing Thompson has going for him is arm and willingness to push the ball downfield. Still, has taken some awful sacks and his accuracy has been shaky at times - see the 3-4 balls that could've or should've been picked off against Clemson and the other 3 or 4 that he skipped to open wideouts.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:16 am to UpstateCock2007
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have been on the Shaw bandwagon since day one, and I will stick to that.
This. Dylan wouldn't have been able to make that 3rd down scramble to extend the next-to-last play to Ace.
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Dylan was the hero the other day, but keep in mind that Connor made some outstanding plays to get us down the field and into that position.
Exactly. I'm not taking anything away from Dylan at all. He made his reads, made his throws, and made some of them better than Shaw. He can't, however, extend plays like Shaw.
Having said all that, I do think we will continue to see them both play in games next year, which is great. The more we can throw at a defense, the better. It's great to be a GAMECOCK
Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:18 pm to Wholelottacock
I'm a dumbass? Shaw is something like 16-3 as a starter, and is hands down the toughest quarterback in the SEC. While Dylan has shown he is very capable of being a starter, Connor has proven time and time again that he is a playmaker, and has done extremely well as the leader of this offense. Not to mention he is a rising senior, and Dylan will undoubtedly get his chance as a starter in the following year.
I don't understand how this makes me a dumbass for thinking that we should go through this offseason without any QB controversy.
That same weak arse zone read option has proven to be extremely successful in some cases, such as the Georgia game, and the Clemson game in 2011.
Unless our O-line play steps up next season, you can expect the pocket to collapse fairly quickly under pressure once again, in which case we should prefer Connor's speed and agility.
If the time comes where we have a Garcia-like breakdown at QB with Connor in 2013, then Dylan should be the starter. I just don't see that happening with Shaw's experience and determination.
Edit: This isn't to say I'm not happy that we have two very good QBs. THANK GOD we have the depth at QB that we do.
I don't understand how this makes me a dumbass for thinking that we should go through this offseason without any QB controversy.
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Connor = same weak arse zone option read. Put your d in the box and make em go 3 and out all night.
That same weak arse zone read option has proven to be extremely successful in some cases, such as the Georgia game, and the Clemson game in 2011.
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Thompson = fun n gun, will make it so easy for our backs to run because the d is forced into coverage on every play.
Unless our O-line play steps up next season, you can expect the pocket to collapse fairly quickly under pressure once again, in which case we should prefer Connor's speed and agility.
If the time comes where we have a Garcia-like breakdown at QB with Connor in 2013, then Dylan should be the starter. I just don't see that happening with Shaw's experience and determination.
Edit: This isn't to say I'm not happy that we have two very good QBs. THANK GOD we have the depth at QB that we do.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:49 pm to Wholelottacock
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Connor = same weak arse zone option read
That same weak arse zone option read has allowed him to be something like 20-4 as a starter. Connor is tough as nails and gives everything he has when he's playing. He's the true leader of the offense.
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Thompson = fun n gun
This is true though, too. I loved how we threw it around on Clemson when Dylan started(even though Dylan had some lucky breaks by not being intercepted). It's pretty apparent that he is a much better passer.
With that said, Shaw is our starter unless Thompson shows that he is leaps and bounds better in the offseason. We are very fortunate to have two(possibly 3 by next year) very capable QBs. I don't know many teams that could have their back-up QB come in and start against an 11 win team and beat them in their house. And the way Thompson just came in to finish that last drive to beat Michigan is legendary.
Spurrier finally has QBs in place to run his offense and I hope we return to his Florida glory days next year by putting up 50 on the reg.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 10:04 pm to JimMorrison
This is intended for the dumb arse who thinks this is no question and no one else.
Wow if you need me to explain to you how much more M.L. could have done while playing defenses with only 4/5 men in the box vs. 7/8 on every play you really are a dumb arse. 20-4 is great as a starter until you play a real elite defense like LSU, Florida or Bama. You know the ones that are strong enough to play man in the secondary all game and force 3 and outs all night on that vaunted Zone option read. Because you have a quick, 1 check QB instead of a 6'4 250lb one to grind out the yards with your running back. You do know the premise behind the zone option read is the admission that you have an undersized undertalented O line and your trying to give them a fighting chance by freezing the outside lineman that they can't really block by themselves.
Here I drew you a picture. This is the D line (X's) with Thompson and any running back on our roster.
x x x x x
0 0 0 0 0
DT ML
And heres what Marcus has had to run through for his 3 years of service that we didn't properly thank him on the field for. With Shaw in the game as a threat to run on every single fawking play.
x x x x
x x x x x
x x x x x x
x x x x x x x
0 0 0 0 0 0
CS ML
Of course Thompson could have not should have had 2/3 picks against Clemson. Thats what happens when you zip the ball around every play to 5 diff recievers. Connor doesn't get picks because he never throws the ball around. But I know what he does that Thompson doesn't. Stare at Ace all fawking night and put the defense back on the fawking field after 3 consecutive nothings.
Yes Connor is a great leader. Yes he plays hard. Yes he is quick. He has no choice because thats all he can do. He's like the 5'5 guy on steroids at the gym. You can't go up I guess you can only get wider than you are taller. Spurrier knows it and he'll be replaced as soon as possible because we'd have possible beat LSU and Florida with Marcus Lattimore and 4/5 receivers catching the ball downfield off play action and draws. Because we'd have actually had to make the defense worry about the pass and not just the run.
Wow if you need me to explain to you how much more M.L. could have done while playing defenses with only 4/5 men in the box vs. 7/8 on every play you really are a dumb arse. 20-4 is great as a starter until you play a real elite defense like LSU, Florida or Bama. You know the ones that are strong enough to play man in the secondary all game and force 3 and outs all night on that vaunted Zone option read. Because you have a quick, 1 check QB instead of a 6'4 250lb one to grind out the yards with your running back. You do know the premise behind the zone option read is the admission that you have an undersized undertalented O line and your trying to give them a fighting chance by freezing the outside lineman that they can't really block by themselves.
Here I drew you a picture. This is the D line (X's) with Thompson and any running back on our roster.
x x x x x
0 0 0 0 0
DT ML
And heres what Marcus has had to run through for his 3 years of service that we didn't properly thank him on the field for. With Shaw in the game as a threat to run on every single fawking play.
x x x x
x x x x x
x x x x x x
x x x x x x x
0 0 0 0 0 0
CS ML
Of course Thompson could have not should have had 2/3 picks against Clemson. Thats what happens when you zip the ball around every play to 5 diff recievers. Connor doesn't get picks because he never throws the ball around. But I know what he does that Thompson doesn't. Stare at Ace all fawking night and put the defense back on the fawking field after 3 consecutive nothings.
Yes Connor is a great leader. Yes he plays hard. Yes he is quick. He has no choice because thats all he can do. He's like the 5'5 guy on steroids at the gym. You can't go up I guess you can only get wider than you are taller. Spurrier knows it and he'll be replaced as soon as possible because we'd have possible beat LSU and Florida with Marcus Lattimore and 4/5 receivers catching the ball downfield off play action and draws. Because we'd have actually had to make the defense worry about the pass and not just the run.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:22 am to Wholelottacock
I fully expect to see next year what we saw in the Outback bowl, Both! SS is not afraid to play musical chairs with a QB... DT throws the ball like SS wants.. without a doubt, he is a gunslinger! CS is just tough to replace... his guts alone single-handedly won us the Vandy game, DT crapped the bed on that. But CS also audibles into runs when a pass is called for whatever (insert your he is a runner, too small, scared, etc..) reasons.
I will agree that we have 2 very capable guys that have had there moments where they were the exact reason we won the game. And i wholeheartedly believe Spurrier will do exactly what he did in the Outback bowl along with throwing our freshmens in there for exp on the weaker schools. it will be offense by committee next year.. as we have to play keep away until our young LB's get some Experience on D
I will agree that we have 2 very capable guys that have had there moments where they were the exact reason we won the game. And i wholeheartedly believe Spurrier will do exactly what he did in the Outback bowl along with throwing our freshmens in there for exp on the weaker schools. it will be offense by committee next year.. as we have to play keep away until our young LB's get some Experience on D
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:46 pm to Mr.Sinister
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Both! SS is not afraid to play musical chairs with a QB
I know this is mostly likely gonna be the situation, but I don't know how I feel about it.
I mean I want the starter to be playing and not get rotated in and out so he can't get into a rhythm.
But on the other hand, it will be good in times where we might be stale on offense and the back up can come in to give us something different. /babble
Posted on 1/5/13 at 12:49 pm to Mr.Sinister
I'm sorry guys but if you watched the TAM game last night. That's what our offense should look like with Connor under center. 4 wide outs that know the ball could hit them at any time. Prevent defense all night and huge running lanes for Connor and any running back.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 1:04 pm to Wholelottacock
yeah, but they have this player that's a lot better than Connor...
Posted on 1/5/13 at 1:39 pm to Wholelottacock
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That's what our offense should look like with Connor under center.
We don't have the OL that can block/execute like aTm's yet. Our guys are young, they have a bunch of upper classmen. Hopefully we could do that next year.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 1:59 pm to CockInYourEar
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We don't have the OL that can block/execute like aTm's yet
yeah, this too. Their OL was giving Manziel all fricking day to pass/run last night.
They were lucky to have that beast OL this year because I think they are going to be in for a rude awakening next year.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 3:32 pm to JimMorrison
Exactly. Both OT's are JR's, and both might leave for the draft, along with their Center. If all 3 of them leave, Manziel won't have the kind of protection he had this year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:29 pm to CockInYourEar
I love CS so this is not me trashing him but I think CS plays scared sometimes. He is afraid to just let the ball go. Like the other guy said the defenses know that with him in the game they just need to stack the box to slow us down. I think Spurrier is licking his chops at the thought of us being able to run the offense that he really wants to run. Plus with our situation at LB's next year we are going to have to put up more points and I think DT gives us the best shot at that.
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