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Permanent cross division solution?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:06 pm
I don't know how much of a problem the permanent cross division really is. But I'm told it's a big deal. Personally I just wish we could go back to having 2 rotating cross division games which would require a 9th conference game. I'm told Saban would support this but many schools aren't on board with a 9th conference game.
Short of a 9th game, what else could be done?
Okay, I've got a crazy idea...
Let Bama/UT/UGA/Auburn keep their permanent cross division game. The rest of us will rotate our two cross divisional games.
But here's the catch:
By having a permanent cross division rivalry, their rotation of cross division opponents will NOT include the team from the opposite division with the worst conference record over the previous five seasons (at the time the schedule is made).
For example, the teams with the worst record (from 2007-2011) in each division are Vanderbilt and Ole Miss (pretty sure Ole Miss and Vandy had the worst overall records but too lazy to see if they were worst in conference for the 5 year span).
Were my rule in effect for 2013, then Bama and Auburn would not be eligible to play Vanderbilt. Georgia and Tennessee would not be eligible to play Ole Miss. Good news... they aren't scheduled to play them anyway next year. But this new rule would mean they'd never get to play the worst team (per the last 5 years) in the opposite division.
This would mean in any given season that it would be more likely that the teams without a traditional rival would get the luck of the draw and get a bottom feeder for one of their cross divisional games. Sure, Spurrier and Miles would still bitch but it would help neutralize some of their argument and address some of their grievance, right?
Call it the traditional rivalry game penalty. A very small price to pay to keep your traditional rivalry game, no?
Whaddya think?
Short of a 9th game, what else could be done?
Okay, I've got a crazy idea...
Let Bama/UT/UGA/Auburn keep their permanent cross division game. The rest of us will rotate our two cross divisional games.
But here's the catch:
By having a permanent cross division rivalry, their rotation of cross division opponents will NOT include the team from the opposite division with the worst conference record over the previous five seasons (at the time the schedule is made).
For example, the teams with the worst record (from 2007-2011) in each division are Vanderbilt and Ole Miss (pretty sure Ole Miss and Vandy had the worst overall records but too lazy to see if they were worst in conference for the 5 year span).
Were my rule in effect for 2013, then Bama and Auburn would not be eligible to play Vanderbilt. Georgia and Tennessee would not be eligible to play Ole Miss. Good news... they aren't scheduled to play them anyway next year. But this new rule would mean they'd never get to play the worst team (per the last 5 years) in the opposite division.
This would mean in any given season that it would be more likely that the teams without a traditional rival would get the luck of the draw and get a bottom feeder for one of their cross divisional games. Sure, Spurrier and Miles would still bitch but it would help neutralize some of their argument and address some of their grievance, right?
Call it the traditional rivalry game penalty. A very small price to pay to keep your traditional rivalry game, no?
Whaddya think?
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 3:11 pm
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:08 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:09 pm to BrerTiger
tl;dgaf
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:11 pm to oklahogjr
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tl;dgaf
This. Probably just LSU fans whining about schedules as usual.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:15 pm to BrerTiger
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Personally I just wish we could go back to having 2 rotating cross division games which would require a 9th conference game. I'm told Saban would support this but many schools aren't on board with a 9th conference game.
This is true. I heard Saban talk about it this summer and said he was pretty much the only coach in favor of going to 9 conference games.
As for the rest of your post, I think it's convoluted and unnecessary. It's pointless trying to make everyone's schedule exactly equal in terms of difficulty. For example, in your model Auburn would have been excluded from playing one of the weakest teams from the East because they always play one of the strongest teams from the East (UGA)? Makes no sense.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:16 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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This. Probably just LSU fans whining about schedules as usual.
Yeah, our coach whines a little. I said as much in the OP that you didn't bother reading.
Good thing y'alls new coach never whines or bitches about anything.
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Bielema has also been quoted in the past as saying the forward pass, putting a man in motion, and using should also be considered for evaluation as they main put his team at a disadvantage. Where's the pacifier when you need one? Yeah, it should be interesting to see how ACC officials referee the game. That's what we're allllll going to tune in to see. And those officials have refereed games with Clemson who plays a very similar style to Oregon. I'm sure they won't be as stupid as Coach Bielema complains about. It does give him a built in excuse though doesn't it?
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:18 pm to BrerTiger
New and exciting stuff you have there
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:19 pm to BrerTiger
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solution?
It's not a problem, no solution needed. At least Eleven schools like the current system
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:19 pm to BrerTiger
Just play Florida and stfu about it.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:20 pm to sarc
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This is true. I heard Saban talk about it this summer and said he was pretty much the only coach in favor of going to 9 conference games.
I think it's the solution that makes the most sense but that's what I recall as well. I suspect it's because the ADs like having their rent a win cash cow games.
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For example, in your model Auburn would have been excluded from playing one of the weakest teams from the East because they always play one of the strongest teams from the East (UGA)? Makes no sense.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but isn't it a small price to pay to preserve your rivalry? And it would force AU/Bama/UT/UGA to make a similar argument to what Miles and Spurrier are trying to make now -- that is, their "right" to play a bottom dweller more often in the rotation. It would put the shoe on the other foot so to speak. Saban would have to argue why his team deserves a chance to play the worst team from the East during the regular season.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:21 pm to BrerTiger
your solution seems to create consistently easier schedules for those without the permanent cross div games? why penalize bana/auburn/uga/ut, why not try to make it more fair than that?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:22 pm to BrerTiger
We will run it by Mike...I mean Mr. Slive and get back to you.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:23 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:23 pm to BrerTiger
Why are yall such cowardly pussies? 
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:24 pm to BrerTiger
Since no other teams fans seem to give a frick about it, I think the solution is for LSU fans to shut the frick up about it.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:24 pm to BrerTiger
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Whaddya think?
Time for LSU fans to move on and find a new topic to cry about.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:29 pm to Stingray
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why penalize bana/auburn/uga/ut, why not try to make it more fair than that?
Because the only way to make it "fair" would be to have everyone rotate.
It's a given that will never happen.
No proposal that doesn't preserve those two rivalry games will ever get approved.
What I'm proposing is an extremely modest incentive to be a "free rotator".
By locking in a permanent rivalry game, they would forfeit one team from the opposite division as part of their rotation that year. What team they forfeit would be entirely negotiable. I'm not beholden to worst team over the last 5 years. You could say worst team last year. You could say Ole Miss and Vandy in perpituity. Makes no difference to me. Just so long as one team gets forfeited from their cross division rotating schedule.
And again, I'm actually in favor of just adding a 9th game and making that 9th game another rotation cross division. But that is also a non-starter right now. But my hope is that a 9th game is what we end up with. 2 rotating games worked very well and I think the loss of the 2nd rotating game is the real problem.
My proposal is simply within the current 8 game framework where there are only 2 cross division games.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:34 pm to BrerTiger
Here's a novel concept. Beat the teams on your schedule. If you want to win the SEC you'll have to go through the toughest in each division anyways at some point.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:39 pm to Rig
This is where I would take a page from the PAC 12. They have a system in which all of the California schools play each other every year. (2 north, 2 south) Everyone else rotates their inter-divisional games.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 3:44 pm to BrerTiger
I'm fine with everyone but UA, AU, UGA, and UT rotating both games, but how does the rest of your proposal make anything more "fair"? If you simply want to penalize those four schools for holding onto their rivalries, then say so.
Also, keep in mind that this would mean that teams like Kentucky and Vandy might go decades without seeing Alabama and Auburn. Believe me when I say that those teams don't want extended periods of time without visits from two well-traveling fanbases.
Also, keep in mind that this would mean that teams like Kentucky and Vandy might go decades without seeing Alabama and Auburn. Believe me when I say that those teams don't want extended periods of time without visits from two well-traveling fanbases.
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