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reel_gator8
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UNC has a lot more cred in academia circles than NCSt. and is more visible with a lot more fans and $$.

Doubt the Tar Heels leave from all the tremors that have been felt....but, if the almost cupcake conference is about to fall apart...it might have to.

The girls school, Ga Tech and Clemson are blackballed. Vargina Tech? Im not sure of....their academics would be better than NCSt I think....and football wise they have a lot of media interest...but other sports?

The digestion of A&M and Mizzou went really well you have to admnit...I didnt think they would have fit in so quickly. If the SEC is going to 16 teams they know the time is right and get who they want....other schools are seeing what happen to out two new additions and are jealous.






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Swoopin
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If the ACC falls apart, I see the Big 12 swooping








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engie
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Getting UNC and Dook is half as good as getting UNC and a team from Virginia. It makes little sense.


Exactly. It will be one from North Carolina and one from Virginia to the SEC. That part isn't really even debatable.

The B1G will not accept a school that isn't an AAU member... That disqualifies NC State, Va Tech, FSU, Miami, etc...That leaves UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech and Virginia as viable options for their continued expansion.

I think Virginia and Georgia Tech are B1G-bound. Virginia just wants the academics and Georgia Tech is desperate financially as they see the SEC driving them further and further into irrelevance.

FSU and Clemson are Big 12 bound. These may actually be the first shoes to drop, assuming the $50mil buyout doesn't hold up. This will be followed closely with Virginia Tech to the SEC.

Once that happens, the ACC is no longer viable as a league, and everyone that's attractive enough that they can jump - will jump - the rest will join the Big East to form a(still) elite basketball league.

That leaves the North Carolinan chess match. The only way EVERYONE ends up happy is for NC State to go Big12, UNC to the SEC, and Duke to the B1G. Otherwise, UNC goes to the B1G, NC State to the SEC, and Duke gets left out for the basketball conference they should be in in the first place.

If Duke gets invited to any major conference(other than Big12), that conference will then be beyond the 16-team model, making things no less ridiculous than they currently are.






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KaiserSoze99
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The girls school,


Yes. The University of Texas at Austin is blackballed.






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KaiserSoze99
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That leaves the North Carolinan chess match. The only way EVERYONE ends up happy is for NC State to go Big12, UNC to the SEC, and Duke to the B1G. Otherwise, UNC goes to the B1G, NC State to the SEC, and Duke gets left out for the basketball conference they should be in in the first place.

If Duke gets invited to any major conference(other than Big12), that conference will then be beyond the 16-team model, making things no less ridiculous than they currently are.

Bingo






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chimneylooker
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so how would that work out with divisions? move mizzou to the west?


I've seen several models that put the conference in 4 divisions of 4 teams. The only division I remember is LSU/Ole Miss/Miss St./Texas A&M.

The team would play every team in their division, played another whole division, then play a "random" team to fill out the 8 league games.

Obviously no one knows but I thought it was a plausible idea






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aggressor
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Getting UNC and Dook is half as good as getting UNC and a team from Virginia. It makes little sense.


Exactly. It will be one from North Carolina and one from Virginia to the SEC. That part isn't really even debatable.

The B1G will not accept a school that isn't an AAU member... That disqualifies NC State, Va Tech, FSU, Miami, etc...That leaves UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech and Virginia as viable options for their continued expansion.

I think Virginia and Georgia Tech are B1G-bound. Virginia just wants the academics and Georgia Tech is desperate financially as they see the SEC driving them further and further into irrelevance.

FSU and Clemson are Big 12 bound. These may actually be the first shoes to drop, assuming the $50mil buyout doesn't hold up. This will be followed closely with Virginia Tech to the SEC.

Once that happens, the ACC is no longer viable as a league, and everyone that's attractive enough that they can jump - will jump - the rest will join the Big East to form a(still) elite basketball league.

That leaves the North Carolinan chess match. The only way EVERYONE ends up happy is for NC State to go Big12, UNC to the SEC, and Duke to the B1G. Otherwise, UNC goes to the B1G, NC State to the SEC, and Duke gets left out for the basketball conference they should be in in the first place.

If Duke gets invited to any major conference(other than Big12), that conference will then be beyond the 16-team model, making things no less ridiculous than they currently are.



This is the crux of it. When does UNC finally give up on the ACC? They REALLY don't want to but at some point it becomes inevitable. Once they accept the fact the ACC as a viable conference (meaning an AQ level conference with a legit TV contract as basketball just doesn't pay nearly enough) then they have to make some hard choices. They can want to stay with Duke all they want but it just won't happen. I suppose there is a remote possibility that the Big 12 would take them both because the Big 12 is run by idiots. That would be a horrible long term move for the Carolina schools though and they would have to hold their nose big time to be hanging out with academic dogs like WVU, Tech, OSU, and KState. They will hate being in different conferences but they can still play OOC, it's really a difference of one basketball game a year.

No, in the end I think UNC has to decide between going to the Big 1G with UVA or going to the SEC either with UVA or VTech. They are likely strong enough to influence UVA to go with them if they want and the SEC would take UVA over VTech because the Presidents are the ones who vote. You don't pass up a chance to add 2 Top 10 (if not Top 5) Public Universities that are power broker AAU members, period. The Big 1G is more prestigious academically for sure but it really isn't a cultural fit and the distances are huge. Even though UNC is a bunch of snobs at their heart they are still Southerners. The fact that the SEC now has 4 AAU members helps to quell the academic types as well.

The other HUGE issue is UNC controls NC State. Letting NC State go to the Big 12 leaves them as no threat to UNC and takes care of their sibling. Letting NC State go to the SEC though suddenly raises the profile of NC State about 20 fold and assures them of making far more money on athletics than UNC. I just don't see them allowing that to happen.

I also really don't want NC State in the SEC. They are a mediocre school in every way. Decent but not great in basketball. Very average in football with their last ACC Title being in the 70's. Small stadium. Crappy facilities. Mediocre academics. Most of all though they are controlled by UNC and I can't get into the idea of an SEC Member that has to get the permission of a Non SEC member for everything. That's a very, very dangerous idea on multiple levels and is a huge hit to the credibility of our conference which at this point is filled with schools that are powerbrokers and not pawns.






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nc14
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NC State will be added to Bama schedule, Va Tech to LSU's

Wait for it...






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KaiserSoze99
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That's like saying Cal controls UCLA. They're in the UNC System. They have a board of governors that controls everything, not UNC.


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morriscat2
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Let us hope it is Virginia Tech and North Carolina instead.





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Rocco Lampone
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As a die-hard SEC fan that has been to UNC and NC State football games, NC State's atmosphere is better and it ain't even close. In fact ECU would be a better fit from a game day atmosphere. I know that there are a ton of other reasons, but for pure football entertainment - State all the way.

By the way - Duke is largely irrelevant in NC (at least in the parts I have been in). Nationally, they are a huge draw, though.



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Dr RC
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NC State will be added to Bama schedule, Va Tech to LSU's

Wait for it...


nah brah, Va Tech goes to A&M and LSU gets South Carolina.






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Marty McFrat
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Should have been added in the first place over Mizzou.








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Tropic Lightning
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NC State is a great place to watch a college football game. Wolfpack fans are in tune with reality and gracious host's. It's also easy to get in and out of the stadium with lots of tailgating space because its right on top of The State Fairgrounds and The PNC Arena where State plays basketball and The Hurricanes at times play hockey.

NC State would be a great add to The SEC, much better than Mizzzzzzzzzuuuuuu






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LSUNV
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I would if FSU joins! gators gonna be mad





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semotruman
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NC State would be a great add to The SEC, much better than Mizzzzzzzzzuuuuuu

But you know what, we're here. DWI.

And remember that football game days aren't what's driving realignment - it's TV markets. And the fact is, NCST wouldn't have nearly as much TV draw as UNC. Or Virginia. Or VT.






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BreakawayZou83
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Plus our football is better in every conceivable way. Better attendance, fans, markets, program, coach, etc.





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jasebee
Member since Nov 2012
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East Division

VA Tech
Kentucky
NC State
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida

West Division

Auburn
Alabama
Mississippi
Mississippi St
LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri






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loyalauron
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Let's just add VT and kick out Mizzou. frick UNC/NCS.





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dr__dawggy
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Lots of rumors about various conferences wanting to swoop in and pick off ACC member schools. I don't think the SEC to make a move until the exit fee issue is resolved by Maryland or other schools who attempt to jump ship. The Big 12 really needs to expand, with only 10 members...so...

I look for the Big 12 to start things off by going for FSU and Clemson.

Next up, the BIG issues invites to Georgia Tech and Virginia...UNC is another option for them.

The SEC gets UNC and one other ACC school.






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