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Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Shiner Bock Aggie
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:33 pm to
Wait, is this "LSU fan" arguing for the Big Dumpster Fire Conference?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:34 pm to
Control of what? I don't get what they ever controlled. They still have their recruiting base, and that is evident with their recruiting results every year. They still have a shite ton of money, in fact twice as much money as A&M has and they will continue to dwarf the A&M athletic budget. Lastly, they still have the fanbase that strongly supports the program and the facilities to make their team successful. The only thing they don't have right now is the results on the WIN and LOSS column. Otherwise everything is there. A&M doesn't have near the recruiting base or even close to the same amount of money to achieve what Texas has. I can say that because they HAVE achieved FAR MORE than A&M has, and they hold in their hand far more money than A&M. A&M cannot objectively say they are in a better spot than Texas besides the wins column.
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
14971 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:36 pm to
Times are changing old man. Just sit back and enjoy.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79892 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:36 pm to
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I don't get what they ever controlled.


Here's a short list:

Dallas Morning News
Austin American Statesman
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Jon Bible
Randy Cristal
Dan Beebe
J. Taylor
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 1:37 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
61042 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Wait, is this "LSU fan" arguing for the Big Dumpster Fire Conference?


I am not arguing about conferences directly, simply saying that the poster who said "A&M will ALWAYS have a better conference, and better schedule" cannot know that at all and its a dumb thing to say because it can't be proven right or wrong. Basically its an ambiguous statement because it has no existence.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:38 pm to
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Here's a short list:

Dallas Morning News
Austin American Statesman
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Jon Bible
Randy Cristal
Dan Beebe
J. Taylor

Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:47 pm to
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Now this is revealing. It sounds like marginalizing Texas is the goal and you think that A&M has achieved that.


Not the goal, but absolutely a welcome consequence. Both programs can be successful simultaneously, but it is more likely that A&M can maintain perpetual success with a marginalized tu. A marginalized A&M was good for tu wasnt it? tu won MORE conference championships in the 90s than it did in the 2000s, but the 2000s are viewed as much more successful. If you don't think that had anything to do with A&M's lack of success in the 2000s and domination in the 90s, you're a moron.

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Also, don't you think that beating Texas soundly and winning the Big 12 and playing ND for the MNC would go further to marginalize Texas than to crow about going 10-2, beating Bama, & playing in the Capital One Bowl?


Not with a tu chance to rebuttal. OU went to 3 BCS games from 2000-2004 and won the RRR all 5 years. Then VY comes, and OU's Texas recruiting still has not recovered.

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My opinion - A&M would have had OU & KSU at home & beaten both. Most likely gone undefeated & would be playing for MNC.


Maybe. If Sumlin is a better coach than Stoops and Brown, A&M would have been successful. No doubt. But the SEC move has the potential to create a systematic and fundamental advantage going forward that is institutionalized by the conference and its dominance of quality it possesses over the Big 12 in to perpetuity. It was a 100 year decision. Not one for the new coaching staff.

I know that that is hard for you to deal with. That is why the Big 12 homers want to talk about "top to bottom" nonsense as if it holds any weight. Your conference has two power programs. The SEC has 7 or 8.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:48 pm to
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The real problem for Texas now though is the changes A&M has made are permanent. We will always be in a better conference. We will always play a better schedule. We will always be on TV more than you. Soon we will always make more money than Texas as well once the SEC Network and the new Kyle are in place. Texas is in deep shite and they are just now starting to realize it.


So the SEC will forever be the best conference? I don't see how you could possibly know that, but okay. A&M will also forever play a better schedule? Okay, fortune teller.

You'll make more money than Texas??? Really? And you figure how?

Texas makes more money than any other program in collegiate sports, and that is proven with real numbers.

Texas is panicking because they have had a TON of success over the last 15 years and they aren't having the success they are familiar with and they don't want to lose grip of the hold they have on the state.



Your response shows just how much sips are in denial and can't see 2 feet in front of their faces.

How will the SEC forever be the best conference? The SEC is about to win NC #7 in a row and has 6 of the Top 10 Teams and this is BEFORE it gets their new TV deals in place. They are a conference of titan programs now with huge budgets, huge stadiums, huge support, and huge ratings. The SEC is the only region of the country that truly has college football as its top sport as well. The demographics of the country in terms of HS football talent are also heavily slanted toward SEC states and getting more and moreso.

Make more money? By a mile. Any figures from the last few years are meaningless because they assume a Texas team coming off a fantastic 10 year run while A&M had a horrific run and both schools were in the Big 12 with an unequal revenue share TV deal that paid out huge for Texas. Texas also had a sold out 100k stadium while A&M was struggling though still keeping it in the 80s. Texas sold a boatload of merchandise as well while A&M sold minimally. All of that is changing and drastically.

The SEC TV deal combined with the renegotiated Network deals will likely pay out well over $50 million per school in the next couple of years and in 5 years that figure could exceed $75 million. The numbers and interest are there. An SEC Network could get better ratings than ESPN in some Southern states and actually make money on advertising to go with the massive subscription fees. A&M gets a healthy share of that. The SEC will also roll in major cash off of the new playoff/BCS/Championship game format that heavily favors them. They could put 2 teams in the Playoff every year, 2 more in BCS Bowls, and add in the Champions Bowl. The SEC already dominates exposure but its going to really get over the top in the future with ESPN having a MASSIVE investment in the league as a partner of the SEC Network that makes the LHN look like a rounding error. A&M is also going to have a 100k+ stadium in the next few years with massive amounts of luxury seating compared to the current Kyle and the demand is there. The massive A&M classes of the 80's and 90's are just hitting prime donor years and they are thrilled to support an SEC program that is serious about winning.

Realize that A&M is now larger than Texas and has had a larger undergrad for a few years now. The gap in Alumni population is also closing every year and is now in the range of 375k vs 450k. The days of Texas dominance are over and you are already playing from behind even if you haven't come to grips with that yet. Texas has virtually no political power over A&M anymore as well with the conference separation and all the Aggies in positions of power in the State.

Texas is now stuck in a dying Big 12 filled with games no one cares about against schools no other conference wants. OU is now the only major program left in the conference and they have continued to own you. You are stuck with a mediocre conference TV deal for the next 13 years and a LHN that no one cares about or watches and paid out less than $4 million last year in spite of all of the effort you have invested in trying to sell it. You had 3 games this year on it that NO ONE could see. Your only significant carrier is UVerse on a temporary basis because you paid them to pick it up.

So yes, Texas if in deep shite and at a permanent disadvantage to A&M in the coming years. A&M's athletic revenue will likely more than double and possibly triple 5 years from now whereas Texas will be lucky to stay even. You are locked in or declining and we are growing and about the only way you can change that is to get people to buy your LHN which isn't happening.

Oh, but go and look at some 2010 figures or whatever and make yourself feel better. Maybe you can fap to some old VY highlights while you are at it.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:57 pm to
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So yes, Texas if in deep shite and at a permanent disadvantage to A&M in the coming years


Awesome, you're so prophetic. Has anyone ever told that?
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by AggieJohn06
Fort Worth
Member since Aug 2011
444 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Awesome, you're so prophetic. Has anyone ever told that?


You just got your arse handed to you and that's the best response you can come up with?
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:02 pm to
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There is NO WAY Dodds/BigTwat would have allowed A&M to play in the MNC game. The longhorn-centric media would have downplayed A&M's success as "a down year for the Big 12" or JTaylor and the other longhorn zebras would have found a way to frick it up.


Seriously, now. I'm not speaking in message board bravado, but how much power do you think DD has? You're telling me that a 12-0 A&M team would be treated differently than a 12-0 KSU team because Deloss Dodds & the media wouldn't want it? Or maybe you think that somehow Texas and its contingent of evil somehow convinced KSU to throw the BU game?

I understand why some fans think that Texas fans are arrogant, but can you understand why some folks think that A&M fans are downright paranoid?

Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

quote:
Awesome, you're so prophetic. Has anyone ever told that?


You just got your arse handed to you and that's the best response you can come up with?


Personally I was expecting:

"Bbbbbuttt WE'RE TEXAS!"

I only wish more Aggies could remember how much the sips have tried to rewrite the history of the '80s and '90s when you couldn't find a flying uterus tshirt in Texas to save your life we dominated them so badly. Kind of reminds me of a Poli Sci prof I had that tried to say Ronald Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.
Posted by AggieJohn06
Fort Worth
Member since Aug 2011
444 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:08 pm to
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Seriously, now. I'm not speaking in message board bravado, but how much power do you think DD has? You're telling me that a 12-0 A&M team would be treated differently than a 12-0 KSU team because Deloss Dodds & the media wouldn't want it? Or maybe you think that somehow Texas and its contingent of evil somehow convinced KSU to throw the BU game?


I could very easily see a 12-1 Alabama/Georgia ranked ahead of a 12-0 A&M team. That kind of crap happens when there's a shite ton of media down playing the strength of the big 12 when the traditional powers have 2-3 losses.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:11 pm to
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Seriously, now. I'm not speaking in message board bravado, but how much power do you think DD has? You're telling me that a 12-0 A&M team would be treated differently than a 12-0 KSU team because Deloss Dodds & the media wouldn't want it? Or maybe you think that somehow Texas and its contingent of evil somehow convinced KSU to throw the BU game?

I understand why some fans think that Texas fans are arrogant, but can you understand why some folks think that A&M fans are downright paranoid?




Seriously now. What has been the spin in the DMN, AAS, etc. about the reason for A&M's success in the SEC? Certainly you're not here arguing that it's because A&M is a good team, is it? That's not what they are saying.

As far as Dodds/longhorns running shite, you cannot tell me you watched Nebraska's departure gifts and can say with a straight face that the big 12 refs are impartial.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:18 pm to
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Seriously, now. I'm not speaking in message board bravado, but how much power do you think DD has? You're telling me that a 12-0 A&M team would be treated differently than a 12-0 KSU team because Deloss Dodds & the media wouldn't want it? Or maybe you think that somehow Texas and its contingent of evil somehow convinced KSU to throw the BU game?


I could very easily see a 12-1 Alabama/Georgia ranked ahead of a 12-0 A&M team. That kind of crap happens when there's a shite ton of media down playing the strength of the big 12 when the traditional powers have 2-3 losses.


Sorry John but he is right, you are paranoid. A 12-0 A&M Team is in the MNC game period, just as any 12-0 SEC team would be.

Texas has given Aggies plenty of reason to be paranoid in the past, esp with their control of the DMN which launched multiple investigations on A&M and of course SMU that derailed both progams along with their control of the NCAA infractions committee for 3 decades through Charles Allan Wright (who stayed involved even after he stepped down as Chair). They just don't have that kind of clout anymore and they especially don't now that we aren't in their conference. Messing with A&M now = messing with the SEC and that is something Texas simply can't do. They will go ahead and treat the rest of the Big 12 like their bitch though. Feel sorry for those schools.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79892 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:24 pm to
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Big12fan


As long as your AD is the College Sports (not just football) equivalent of Jerry Jones (post-Switzer), you will only continue to get worse. In fact, had Dodds had his way in December of 1997, GARY BARNETT would have been your coach and not Mack Brown.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61042 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:24 pm to
No response for insanity or psychosis. I wouldn't have put as much effort into this if I knew you guys were insane.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:26 pm to
You sorta counter-argued yourself a bit, unless I misunderstood.

The argument is that A&M would be in the MNC at 12-0 in the big twatever. Then you gave reasons why the DMN would shoot down our MNC bid, and then said that it can't do that now because we're in the SEC. Is that right?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61042 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:26 pm to
Yep, its all a conspiracy.
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