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re: SEC "Not as Good as You Think"
Posted on 8/14/12 at 3:54 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 8/14/12 at 3:54 pm to Buckeye06
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You know the Big X has had 2 teams in the BCS almost every single year since it began...more than the SEC.
I think the article is good and makes valid points with the circle jerk mentality, but when these other good teams play the SEC in big games, they need to win to end the aura
Of Course the Big 10 does. It's easy to make it when you have a joke of a conference schedule every year. Go ahead and get mad but it's hard to refute it when you pull out a typical big 10 schedule year in and year out. Usually 3 or 4 cream puff OCC, then 4 or 5 .500 or sub .500 conference games, then get up for 1 or 2 tough conference games and your in the BCS.
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 3:56 pm to OXID11
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we are seeing the 3rd or 4th team in the SEC go against 2nd Big 10 ( cap one) 5th SEC against 2nd ACC ( Chick Fil A) 3rd or 4th SEC against 2nd Big 12 ( cotton).
Bingo! It's ironic how a Yankee, making the argument that they'd be better off without the south, could make such an idiotic, tendentious mistake.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:01 pm to Canuck Tiger
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If only LSU had played some of the better teams from other conferences last year. Then we'd have some comparison of the relative strength of the conferences...
canucks=smart people
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:11 pm to OXID11
Sounds great, and if the 'latter' is the case then how come (aside from SECvSEC last year) the SEC continues to beat the 2nd best team in the country each year in the BCS NCG?
If the best team in the SEC weren't the best team in the NCAA then wouldn't we lose, at least once in the national championship? But, we haven't lost in the past 7 years so... explain that?
If the best team in the SEC weren't the best team in the NCAA then wouldn't we lose, at least once in the national championship? But, we haven't lost in the past 7 years so... explain that?
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:13 pm to Penrod
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a Yankee
The author is also a big Oregon fan. Sounds Butthurt to me.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:14 pm to Meaux Bettah
I agree with this part...
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Fine. This is the way it goes in a college football's "every game counts" season.
When the SEC's then #2 Alabama Crimson Tide lost at home to #1 LSU in November, however, it dropped only one space in the polls, to number three.
I was in the stadium for that 2011 alleged "game of the century" between LSU and Alabama, traveling to Tuscaloosa and paying out the arse for a scalped ticket because I was eager to see how mighty legends of the SEC take care of business at home.
It turned out to be a tough night for Alabama fans. The home team eked out only two field goals while converting on just three of eleven third-down opportunities and passing for a Pee Wee football-style 91 yards on nine total completions.
While LSU fans celebrated their 9-6 win in The Houndstooth Sports Bar after the game, I watched as pundits on ESPN went right to work setting up expectations of an LSU-Alabama title game rematch, virtually ignoring the Tide's dismal performance. The original "E" in ESPN stood for "entertainment," after all. Sports have always been a secondary concern.
Within two weeks, just-beaten Alabama had been scooted back up to number two behind top-ranked LSU, and yet another SEC team (Arkansas) had been quickly installed at number three, thus ensuring that no matter what happened next, the SEC would be guaranteed a national title. The system of propaganda reached its torrid, circle-jerk climax with the 2012 BCS title game between LSU and Alabama
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:15 pm to TexasTiger1185
Has an SEC team lost the BCS game when they have been there? Not counting last year because an SEC team had to win and lose.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:19 pm to Meaux Bettah
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""To be the best, so goes to the old sports adage, you've got to beat the best. But since only SEC teams are consistently declared the best, only SEC teams get the chance to prove themselves against "the best."
It's a chicken-or-the-egg situation. Does the SEC get favorable rankings because it's so good? Or is the SEC so good because it gets favorable rankings? I argue for the latter.""
For some reason, he fails to explain why, in five of the six straight years the SEC has won the national championship, a team from another conference (not just any team, but the BEST team from all of the other conferences) indeed DID "get the chance to prove themselves against the best", and failed. Every time. It seems to me that leaves a big smoking hole in the middle of his argument.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:21 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I agree with this part as well but I am trying to look forward to 2012 and the ESPN/ Saban politicking and Bama fan crying for rematch and getting it still pisses me off.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:41 pm to Meaux Bettah
I'm not reading that tripe.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:56 pm to stho381
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Amazing how people that argue that the SEC isn't the best right now always bring up stats from late 90's. The SEC became really dominant in the mid 00's.
Exactly. This guy even says in the article "SEC dominance is a very recent phenomenon". So why is he even bothering with records from the beginning of the BCS era?
And who cares if it's recent? The SEC is getting all this attention from the media because it is currently the best, which he seems to acknowledge.
It just seems like he's reaching to fit a justifiable argument around his dislike for SEC football.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 4:59 pm to Meaux Bettah
We proved ourselves against other champions already. We good.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:01 pm to Meaux Bettah
horsefrickingshit!
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:01 pm to Meaux Bettah
Of course more stupidity in the argument results from his use of records from a 14-year period (since 1998) to refute a theory about a six-year period (since 2006). His whole point about interconference records can only be valid if it focuses on the same period about which he is arguing.
SEC vs. other BCS conferences and Notre Dame since 2006:
Big XII: 16-7
ACC: 32-18
Big East: 12-10
Big Ten: 12-9 (includes Arkie's loss to Ohio State, later vacated)
Pac Ten/12: 7-5
Notre Dame: 1-0
To the extent that head to head records are relevant at all (considering teams aren't always comparably situated within their respective conferences when they face each other OOC), at least this focuses on the period in question. And there it is...the SEC has a winning record against all five other BCS conferences and Notre Dame, and a combined overall record of 80-49.
SEC vs. other BCS conferences and Notre Dame since 2006:
Big XII: 16-7
ACC: 32-18
Big East: 12-10
Big Ten: 12-9 (includes Arkie's loss to Ohio State, later vacated)
Pac Ten/12: 7-5
Notre Dame: 1-0
To the extent that head to head records are relevant at all (considering teams aren't always comparably situated within their respective conferences when they face each other OOC), at least this focuses on the period in question. And there it is...the SEC has a winning record against all five other BCS conferences and Notre Dame, and a combined overall record of 80-49.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:18 pm to Meaux Bettah
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The BCS business plan works like this: preseason rankings typically include two, three, or four SEC teams among the nation's top ten, more than from any other conference. From the outset, this bias for SEC teams builds into the system a near insurmountable advantage.
Start the season with two of the top four teams being from the SEC, as was the case in 2010 with Alabama and Florida, and in 2011 with Alabama and LSU, and the conference is virtually guaranteed to be represented in the title game -- and this is an important point -- even if neither of those two schools end up winning the conference.
This dog won't hunt. Neither LSU in 2007 nor Auburn in 2010 was in the pre-season top 10, yet both went on to win the national title. I'm not sure about Florida in 2006, but the Gators may not have been top 10 before that season that year.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Big Ten: 12-9 (includes Arkie's loss to Ohio State, later vacated)
The loss is still a loss for Arkansas. The win was vacated for Ohio State.
The top of the SEC has clearly been head and shoulders above the top of the rest of the other conferences for the last 6 years. In some seasons (last year) the second best team in the SEC has also clearly been better than pretty much everyone else. After the top team (or two) the rest of the country becomes much more competitive with the SEC. At least, that's how I see it.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:20 pm to Nuts4LSU
If another team out of the SEC, say Oregon or Boise state, would have played LSU's schedule last year just for shits and giggles, the media would've called it suicide.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:23 pm to RAGINTIGER
There were many in the media who thought we'd go 1-3 to start the season last year.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:41 pm to Meaux Bettah
quote:some people will just never understand that the outcome of the Independence Bowl does not help determine who is the better conference
In 2012, for instance, the SEC was able to even its BCS bowl record against the Big Ten at 19-19 when the Florida Gators beat Ohio State in the none-too-partisan Gator Bowl. The game was played in Jacksonville. No bowl games are played in Ohio.
So, if the SEC plays other conferences about even, why do SEC teams keep winning national championships?
ETA: just noticed it said BCS bowl games, have we really played 38 BCS games against the BIG 10?
ETA part 2: wait, then he talks about the Gator Bowl? this dude needs to brush up on his researching skills
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:49 pm to Meaux Bettah
quote:e.g., SEC#6 vs Big 10 #3 and the Big 10 is still only even
In 2012, for instance, the SEC was able to even its BCS bowl record against the Big Ten at 19-19 when the Florida Gators beat Ohio State
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