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Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:11 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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You still haven't provided your reasoning to support WHY you think the Big 12 is set up well.
Well they have now signed over their 1st and 2nd tier media rights for the next 13 years and they have a solid TV deal in place. Seems like a great starting point to get headed in the right direction.
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:12 am to TheCheshireHog
Official press release:
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – The Southeastern Conference and the Big 12 Conference announced today a five-year agreement for their football champions to meet in a post-season bowl game following the 2014 season.
The champions of the two conferences will be in the matchup unless one or both are selected to play in the new four-team model to determine the national championship. Should that occur, another deserving team from the conference(s) would be selected for the game.
“A new January bowl tradition is born,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “This new game will provide a great match-up between the two most successful conferences in the BCS era and will complement the exciting post-season atmosphere created by the new four-team model. Most importantly, it will provide our student-athletes, coaches and fans with an outstanding bowl experience.”
“Our goal is to provide the fans across the country with a New Year’s Day prime-time tradition,” commented acting Big 12 Conference Commissioner Chuck Neinas. “This is a landmark agreement between two of the most successful football conferences during the BCS era to stage a post-season event. The creation of this game featuring the champions of the Big 12 and SEC will have tremendous resonance in college football.”
“I am very excited by the prospects for a game between our champion and the champion of the Southeastern Conference,” added in-coming Big 12 Conference Commissioner Bob Bowlsby.
During the 14-year history of the Bowl Championship Series the Big 12 and SEC lead the nation with 11 seasons in which each conference has had at least one team ranked in the top four of the final BCS standings. Both conferences share the top spot all-time with 14 teams each that have finished in the top four of the final BCS Standings. The two conferences have combined for 16 appearances in the BCS National Championship Game, with the Big 12 ranking second behind the SEC’s nine appearances with seven trips to the National Championship Game.
The two league champions have met twice in BCS bowl games since 1998, both in BCS National Championship Games. In 2010, Alabama defeated Texas, 37-21, in Pasadena, Cal., and in 2009, Florida defeated Oklahoma, 24-14, in Miami, Fla.
Specific details, including host site(s), will be announced at a later date.
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – The Southeastern Conference and the Big 12 Conference announced today a five-year agreement for their football champions to meet in a post-season bowl game following the 2014 season.
The champions of the two conferences will be in the matchup unless one or both are selected to play in the new four-team model to determine the national championship. Should that occur, another deserving team from the conference(s) would be selected for the game.
“A new January bowl tradition is born,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “This new game will provide a great match-up between the two most successful conferences in the BCS era and will complement the exciting post-season atmosphere created by the new four-team model. Most importantly, it will provide our student-athletes, coaches and fans with an outstanding bowl experience.”
“Our goal is to provide the fans across the country with a New Year’s Day prime-time tradition,” commented acting Big 12 Conference Commissioner Chuck Neinas. “This is a landmark agreement between two of the most successful football conferences during the BCS era to stage a post-season event. The creation of this game featuring the champions of the Big 12 and SEC will have tremendous resonance in college football.”
“I am very excited by the prospects for a game between our champion and the champion of the Southeastern Conference,” added in-coming Big 12 Conference Commissioner Bob Bowlsby.
During the 14-year history of the Bowl Championship Series the Big 12 and SEC lead the nation with 11 seasons in which each conference has had at least one team ranked in the top four of the final BCS standings. Both conferences share the top spot all-time with 14 teams each that have finished in the top four of the final BCS Standings. The two conferences have combined for 16 appearances in the BCS National Championship Game, with the Big 12 ranking second behind the SEC’s nine appearances with seven trips to the National Championship Game.
The two league champions have met twice in BCS bowl games since 1998, both in BCS National Championship Games. In 2010, Alabama defeated Texas, 37-21, in Pasadena, Cal., and in 2009, Florida defeated Oklahoma, 24-14, in Miami, Fla.
Specific details, including host site(s), will be announced at a later date.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:14 am to sarc
So the 2 conferences plan on playing each other even if 1 or both conference champs is in the playoff. Smart move IMO. If a top ranked team gets left out of a playoff because of some conference champ requirement, it will still get to play in a big time post-season game and possibly make a case for a split national championship
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:16 am to TheCheshireHog
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Seems like a great starting point to get headed in the right direction
Maybe you just had to be there, but I think the Aggies will back me up in saying that from having been there, I know to a certainty there is just no such thing as a 'right direction' for that league anymore, unless you're the Texas Longhorns. It's a toxic, backstabbing pirate ship of a league and OU is only there as a hostage b/c the PAC shot them down...but OU well knows that the non-granting of third tier rights coupled with greater equalization of first and second tier revenue actually was a subtle move by UT that strongly favors them to OU's detriment since UT's third tier money is so massive that they will wind up profiting by an even wider margin over OU than they did previously when the first and second tier revenue was unevenly distributed and favored both UT and OU.
Point being, it's still a ticking time bomb and there will be plenty more internal strife on the way. There always was in that league and always will be.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:16 am to NonregAg09
this agreement makes no sense to me.
it must just be the first step in the Big12-SEC "teaming up" to couteract the Big10-Pac12 power alliance.
But as far as the actual game, it will likely never happen where the Big12 champ and SEC champ are both not in the 4-team playoff. So this game will rarely, if ever, be played.
And FWIW, if this game ever does take place, it needs to be the Sugar Bowl.
it must just be the first step in the Big12-SEC "teaming up" to couteract the Big10-Pac12 power alliance.
But as far as the actual game, it will likely never happen where the Big12 champ and SEC champ are both not in the 4-team playoff. So this game will rarely, if ever, be played.
And FWIW, if this game ever does take place, it needs to be the Sugar Bowl.
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:16 am to sarc
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Joe Schad ?@schadjoe Mile Slive: SEC and Big 12 are the two most successful conferences in the BCS
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Dennis Dodd ?@dennisdoddcbs To be clear, this is a Rose Bowl model. This "Champions Bowl" (my term, for now) will be played each year.
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Joe Schad ?@schadjoe Chuck Neinas of Big 12 says this game will be a New Years Day prime time tradition
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:16 am to sarc
I really hope that this matchup gets heated. and obviously praying we somehow get matched up with texas and stomp them into the ground.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:17 am to TheCheshireHog
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Well they have now signed over their 1st and 2nd tier media rights for the next 13 years and they have a solid TV deal in place. Seems like a great starting point to get headed in the right direction.
This new deal with the SEC is another impressive move for such a hopeless league as described by the Aggies. I think they're just fighting a losing battle trying to convince people they left because the Big 12 is dying instead of the truth, that they were tired of being put down and owned by big brother Texas so they gave up.
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:19 am to bigpapamac
The Big12 is certainly not a dying league anymore. they took steps after recent departures to ensure the Big12's survival...at least for the next decade or so.
The ACC is the conference on the chopping block right now...the writing is on the wall that we're about to have 4 mega-football conferences (Pac12, Big10, Big12, SEC).
The ACC is the conference on the chopping block right now...the writing is on the wall that we're about to have 4 mega-football conferences (Pac12, Big10, Big12, SEC).
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:19 am to leoj
jplsu, I believe it says if a team or teams from either conference are in a national title/playoff then the next best team will play. it will feature higher ranked teams than the cotton bowl. unless I'm completely misunderstanding this.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:19 am to JPLSU1981
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So this game will rarely, if ever, be played.
It will be played each year regardless. Any team selected for the playoff will be replaced by the next best team from that conference.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:21 am to bigpapamac
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that they were tired of being put down and owned by big brother Texas so they gave up.
That theory might, *might* fly if solely ATM had ditched the league. But the Big 12 lost four members in two years. It lost one-third of its membership. And the other three schools were flagship state universities from outside of Texas. The league was far, far more toxic and troubled than just the simple version you give.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:51 am to TheCheshireHog
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Well they have now signed over their 1st and 2nd tier media rights for the next 13 years and they have a solid TV deal in place. Seems like a great starting point to get headed in the right direction.
That's actually a bad thing. The fact that if you join the conference, not only do you only get a partial share of the revenue the first 3 years (TCU, WVU), but your rights are signed away for several years. That will keep quality schools from joining and only attract schools who are truly desperate and have no other options.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:52 am to JPLSU1981
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The Big12 is certainly not a dying league anymore. they took steps after recent departures to ensure the Big12's survival...at least for the next decade or so.
The ACC is the conference on the chopping block right now...the writing is on the wall that we're about to have 4 mega-football conferences (Pac12, Big10, Big12, SEC).
Here's a good take on the reality of the match-up...
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In one sense, this isn’t much: the bowl game itself is almost meaningless. There hasn’t been a national title game without a participant, now a member of either conference since 2001.
But as a message, it’s profound. The ACC just found itself locked out of the public perception of being one of the major players. Now when it comes to football conferences, there’s a big four and there’s everybody else. (Unless you think there’s a lot more cachet to a ACC-Big East partnership than I do.) If you don’t think this is going to add more fuel to the FSU fire, you’re nuts. I’ll leave you to speculate on what Slive hopes to gain here. Let’s just say that if I were John Swofford’s dog, I’d be keeping a low profile today.
The SEC just chose a side. The ACC lost.
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This post was edited on 5/18/12 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:54 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Big 12 will soon have 16 teams with FSU and Clemson being the first two. Basically this is telling the ACC and Big East we are coming after your teams. SEC is not done. Virginia Tech you are on the clock.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:55 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I think this move is one big power play by Slive. Slive is tired of Delaney talking about the Big 10 alliance with the Pac 12 in every discussion having to do with bowls or a playoff. The press release today basically says that this new alliance may not have the tradition of the Rose Bowl but it has much much more on-field success in the BCS era. This gives Slive a lot more leverage in postseason negotiations moving forward.
And we should all hope that the Big 12 stays strong because if they don't then it will make Slive and the SEC look pretty stupid.
And we should all hope that the Big 12 stays strong because if they don't then it will make Slive and the SEC look pretty stupid.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:55 am to TheCheshireHog
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Well they have now signed over their 1st and 2nd tier media rights for the next 13 years and they have a solid TV deal in place. Seems like a great starting point to get headed in the right direction.
I agree with you. I think that the days of thinking the Big 12 was going to implode are long gone. I did not always think it was this way. Texas and especially OU found out two things, the grass isnt always greener and they dont have the control and options that they thought they did. Those two things have led them to play nice or risk more.
Those programs left in the Big 12 that had no options or no room to negotiate really should be thanking the teams that left because they have brought about significant change in the way the power brokers in the Big 12 operate.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:56 am to sarc
I think this is a smart move by Slive. The Pac12 and Big whatever stand in the way of a top 4 playoff because they want to protect the Rose Bowl. What better way to counter that than by creating a direct competitor.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 11:56 am to allin2010
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Big 12 will soon have 16 teams with FSU and Clemson being the first two. Basically this is telling the ACC and Big East we are coming after your teams. SEC is not done. Virginia Tech you are on the clock.
If the SEC is thinking of later adding two more teams and either one or both may be in the ACC, anything that weakens the ACC helps that process.
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