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Regarding MSU "touchdown" -- Rule 4-2-4-e

Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:34 pm
THE DEFINITION OF THE GOAL LINE:

"Goal Lines
ARTICLE 2. The goal line at each end of the field of play runs between the
sidelines and is part of the vertical plane that separates the end zone from
the field of play. This plane extends beyond the sidelines (Exception: Rule
4-2-4-e)
. The two goal lines are 100 yards apart. The entire goal line is in the
end zone. A team’s goal line is that which it is defending (A.R. 2-11-2-I)"


RULE 4-2-4-e

"Out of Bounds at Forward Point
ARTICLE 4. a. If a live ball is declared out of bounds and the ball does not
cross a boundary line, it is out of bounds at the ball’s most forward point
when it was declared dead (A.R. 4-2-4-I) (Exception: Rule 8-5-1-a, A.R.
8-5-1-I).
b. A touchdown may be scored if the ball is inbounds and has broken the
plane of the goal line before or simultaneous to the ball carrier going out
of bounds.
c. A receiver who is in the opponent’s end zone and contacting the ground
is credited with a completion if he reaches over the sideline or end line
and catches a legal pass.
d. The most forward point of the ball when declared out of bounds between
the end lines is the point of forward progress (A.R. 8-2-1-II and A.R.
8-5-1-X).
e. When a ball carrier dives or jumps toward the sideline and is airborne as
he crosses the sideline, forward progress is determined by the position
of the ball as it crosses the sideline (A.R. 8-2-1-III and IV)
"

So based on the definition of "goal line" and Rule 4-2-4-e, the MSU player did not score because the ball went out of bounds before it crossed the goal line.
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:35 pm to
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24845 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:35 pm to
Boom?


I suck at reading
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:35 pm to
NOTE: This is from the 2009-2010 yearbook so that's the only caveat....
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32176 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:36 pm to
Who is saying he did?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:38 pm to
Apparently the ref is, and that's what it looked like to me. I wasn't sure if it was a TD or not because I thought it was true that the goal line plane extends out of bounds, so I looked it up. The exception (rule 4-2-4-e) tells me it wasn't a touchdown.

edit: For the record, I was rooting for MSU
This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 3:40 pm
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Who is saying he did?


Butthurt corndogs
Posted by PanhandleTigah
Florida Freedom Zone
Member since May 2008
9405 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:41 pm to
I never thought it was a touchdown once I saw it in slow motion. He remained outside the pylon, so it was a good no call in my opinion.
Posted by jsmoove
Member since Oct 2010
12627 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

NOTE: This is from the 2009-2010 yearbook so that's the only caveat....


2009? You mean the LSU whiners claiming that they knew the rule pre-2011 were actually wrong to begin with?
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42548 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:44 pm to
Merlins also could've had it reviewed.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:53 pm to
Yeah I don't know what exactly changed in 2011... but this would still not have been a touchdown in 2009.
Posted by BUCKMSTR7399
Member since Jul 2009
2709 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 4:00 pm to
If this rule was in place for 2010 then why would the NCAA make a specific rule change this year regarding this?

I think you missed this point in previous rule:

If a live ball is declared out of bounds and the ball does not
cross a boundary line


New rule put in keeps the goal line extending forever.. SO LONG as 1 of 2 events occur. The carrier touches pylon or endzone. So the ball could cross the sideline and still be a TD.


Based on your def of the rule the player could dive and have the ball cross the sideline and he could touch the pylon with his other hand and it wouldnt be a td. Thats not the case.

ETA: The new rule certainly simplifies the case.
This post was edited on 9/10/11 at 4:03 pm
Posted by phatcat
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2003
3380 posts
Posted on 9/10/11 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

Based on your def of the rule the player could dive and have the ball cross the sideline and he could touch the pylon with his other hand and it wouldnt be a td. Thats not the case.



This is true until you factor in the fact that an Auburn player with one foot in the end zone and one foot out of bounds touched the MSU player wile he was still in the air and past the goal line before any part of his body touched out of bounds. With the Auburn player connecting him to the end zone, the MSU ball carrier is down at that point with the goal line extended and the result of the play being a touchdown.

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