UNC wasn't awarded an extra play because of the penalty...

And they received penalty yardage too. So there.

yep

but you shouldn't be able to spike the ball with 15 people on the field and nobody is set. coaches should never try and rush the field goal unit on at the end of the game. Just snap the ball whether people are set or not.

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but you shouldn't be able to spike the ball with 15 people on the field and nobody is set

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The formation was set except for the 4 guys running onto the field and it's not like they weren't penalized for it.

It might have technically been the correct ruling, but IMO it certainly doesn't seem right that UNC can run an illegal play - with the clock running - and that illegal play in itself ends up stopping the clock and giving them another play.

I trust that the refs got it right, but it certainly doesn't seem right to me.

But Tenn has no one to blame but themselves. They should have never been in that position to begin with (XP, Jackson penalty, etc)

The clock starts on the referees ready signal - a winding of the arm. Whether or not this happens is based on the previous play, in this case the play that determined how the clock is started for the FG attempt was the spike w :01 left, spikes are treated as incomplete passes and therefore there is no 'hot' clock, clock starts on the snap, not on the referees ready signal

Wrong, there is no penalty here prior to the snap - which is called a dead ball foul - the team was attempting to get the FG team on, which is their right as long as the play clock allows them. If they go longer than the play clock, that is a dead ball foul - delay of game. The only requirement is that the players to be set for 1 sec prior to the snap except for one allowed to be in motion.

So i believe the penalty was called illegal participation, Not false start, a dead ball foul


I ref'd in TX HS football -we used NCAA rules

The spike occured at :01, the spike is treated as an incomplete pass, so there is no 'hot' clock on the (referees) ready signal...clock starts on the snap

The extra players at the snap with :01 made no diff as far as the clock is concerned, the clock stopped because of the play, the penalty is assessed normally because the game was not 'over' ( but as close to being over as possible). The refs did a great job

I don't remember the details of the last few seconds even though I saw it....seems like if memory serves, the play prior was the long pass to RR(?) which was a first down, that only stops clock for the chain reset, and then after chains are set and the ump sets the ball, it's a hot clock situation ie the clock starts on the referees ready, so I don't think JJ snapped it with any time left in regulation

They had a quarteback under center and a holder and a kicker. Please tell me how this makes sense

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Wrong, there is no penalty here prior to the snap

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I said prior to spike not snap. It's a little different.