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Computer polls if AU vacates wins?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 1:41 pm
Wonder how computers would calculate rankings if AU had wins vacated before end of season? Not only does AU fall off charts, but LSU and other teams should have their records improved, PLUS LSU (and others) should have their SOS go up as teams that LSU beat should then have improved records.
Any thoughts about how this would be handled? Obviously the BCS rankings could be affected by the computers as well as human polls. Probably more so for computers, imo, if they really take all these things into account.
BTW, I realize the NCAA will not likely move fast enough to be fair to the clean schools.
Any thoughts about how this would be handled? Obviously the BCS rankings could be affected by the computers as well as human polls. Probably more so for computers, imo, if they really take all these things into account.
BTW, I realize the NCAA will not likely move fast enough to be fair to the clean schools.
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 1:42 pm to L-S-U-L-S-U
LSU is going to win the Universe Championship
Posted on 11/17/10 at 1:45 pm to L-S-U-L-S-U
i believe vacated wins are only after the season is over.
during a season, they would be forfeited.
i think.
during a season, they would be forfeited.
i think.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 1:47 pm to BobBoucher
I think we need to stop this crap because nothing is going to happen soon.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:03 pm to jamoore
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i believe vacated wins are only after the season is over.
during a season, they would be forfeited.
i think.
Okay, semantics. Result is that AU wins don't count.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:34 pm to jamoore
and if wins are vacated, it does not improve the opponents' records. LSU would still have 1 loss, and other common opponents would still have the loss to Auburn on the record book. Auburn would just be 0-0 at this point (not 0-12). forfeiting would be a whole different story though.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:38 pm to L-S-U-L-S-U
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Okay, semantics. Result is that AU wins don't count.
Actually, I think it's a little more than semantics. If there is a contest with a team that vacates a win, the losing party must still hold the loss included in their record.
Forfeited games eliminate both, correct?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:39 pm to AUwayne
"Okay, semantics. Result is that AU wins don't count."
Faaaaaaar from semantics. It would change everyone's record.
Faaaaaaar from semantics. It would change everyone's record.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:39 pm to blueTunaTiger
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Actually, I think it's a little more than semantics. If there is a contest with a team that vacates a win, the losing party must still hold the loss included in their record.
Forfeited games eliminate both, correct?
exactly... its much more than symantecs because LSU's 1 loss would disappear with a forfeit. With a vacancy, it remains.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:41 pm to BobBoucher
I'm surprised I don't see more LSU fans talking about this (maybe looking in the wrong place haha). If Auburn forfeits wins wouldn't ya'll be back in the NC picture? I don't know how the human pollsters would respond but your computer rank would be 1 or 2 if you win out.
This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:45 pm to blueTunaTiger
I don't know what Webster says, but to me a team that forfeits makes the opponent the winner. In the case of Newton at AU, it's more than just a ruling. The odds against AU actually being unbeaten without CN are very high imo. Otherwise AU should have arguably been unbeaten last year without him.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:46 pm to beaverfever
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I'm surprised I don't see more LSU fans talking about this (maybe looking in the wrong place haha). If Auburn forfeits wins wouldn't ya'll be back in the NC picture?
potentially and theoretically, yes. A forfeit would be just like we beat AU. Had we beat AU for real, we'd be a concensus #1.
If AU forfeits, we'll be lucky to move up more than 1 spot (the spot opened up by AU slipping).
I think we'd be the bottom ranked undefeated team.
A SECCG win against USC might be enough for us to leap one of them to take #2 in BCS.
The unknown factor here is that the voters may still punish LSU for the loss that was erased, and they may take their frustration with the SEC out on LSU and keep us behind Boise and TCU.
If the the voters did put us at 3, id bet the BCS would put us at 2 easily. Voters know that.
I think we'd stay at 4 with voters and 3 in BCS. UnLESs of course they want to see more grass eating...
This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:49 pm to I Love Bama
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:51 pm to AUwayne
If they're DQ'ed during the season, they are forfeits (that's the only way it would help LSU). LSU would go undefeated (if we won out), Auburn would be 0-12
If they do it years from now, wins are vacated and loses to said team stand (LSU would still have 1 loss, AU will be 0-0)
If they do it years from now, wins are vacated and loses to said team stand (LSU would still have 1 loss, AU will be 0-0)
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:51 pm to memphisplaya
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This post was edited on 11/17/10 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:53 pm to beaverfever
I wouldn't be surprised if voters would be looking for an excuse to move an undefeated SEC team past Boise/TCU. Who knows tho.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:03 pm to L-S-U-L-S-U
Say something does happen between now and when bowl bids are extended. If AU is forced to vacate (or even forfeit) wins...every team they played against will take a hit in SOS.
Let's take LSU for example - they might get a slight SOS boost because they beat a MSU team that now has one less loss (or in the case of a forfeit one less loss and one more win). However, that is going to be balanced, and probably offset, by having an Auburn team on there that is at best 0-0 and at worst 0-12. Strength of schedule is based on the record of your opponents and your opponent's opponents (done because being 10-2 against a whole lot of sub .500 teams is less impressive than being 9-3 against all teams who have won 75% of their games).
Let's take LSU for example - they might get a slight SOS boost because they beat a MSU team that now has one less loss (or in the case of a forfeit one less loss and one more win). However, that is going to be balanced, and probably offset, by having an Auburn team on there that is at best 0-0 and at worst 0-12. Strength of schedule is based on the record of your opponents and your opponent's opponents (done because being 10-2 against a whole lot of sub .500 teams is less impressive than being 9-3 against all teams who have won 75% of their games).
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:24 pm to L-S-U-L-S-U
lsumatt covered this scenario in one of his threads on the rant and had a hypothesis for how it would be handled and not hammer the auburn opponents SOS in the computers.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:26 pm to jjbodean1970
For the computers to work it out they'd have to just have all SEC west teams play a 7 game schedule. Auburn would be 0-0 in this scenario.
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