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Take it from an LSU fan
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:19 pm
As happy as we are with our recent MNC's, it kinda sucked when people kept talking about how we were the 1st 2 loss champ.
You AU fans can say what you will, but you will ALWAYS be given shyt about your MNC, providing you win. Seriously, many in the media will always assume sothing shady went on but you guys got away with it. Cecil Newton has effectively ruined your "special season". The NCAA can announce their findings and TOTALLY clear Cam but the feelings of some will never be changed. You will have a tainted title.
AU has already lost in this deal. 40% of Heisman voters have already said they would not put Cam on their ballot. That should give you an idea of public perception. The SEC was already accused of propping up its best teams for the MNC and now they appear to have sat on info regarding Cam's eligibility, all for the sake of $$$$$. Now we will probably never shake the stigma of being a league of cheaters.
AU has definitely not done anything to help themselves. Hiring Trooper Taylor and having Pat Dye once again involved is never a sign of improvement for the better. Cam has the laptop incident, cheating on tests, and now the paid to play allegations. His credibility is zero.
Cecil Newton at first denied the allegations. Then he said money was discussed but it never changed hands. I don't know if AU done anything wrong, I do however have a hard time believing that in spite of Cecil wanting money from MSU, he sent his son to AU for free. That family just screams immorality!
I hope AU has done nothing wrong but I could care less about Cam and his father. Chizik is in a tough spot. He has a chance to lead a team to a MNC. He can quiet his detractors. He can earn the right to have a couple down years by bringing a MNC that AU has dearly sought after.
Good luck and I mean that sincerely. I don't think your program should have to pay for Cecil and Cams problems, providing they have done anything WORTH SANCTIONING.
You AU fans can say what you will, but you will ALWAYS be given shyt about your MNC, providing you win. Seriously, many in the media will always assume sothing shady went on but you guys got away with it. Cecil Newton has effectively ruined your "special season". The NCAA can announce their findings and TOTALLY clear Cam but the feelings of some will never be changed. You will have a tainted title.
AU has already lost in this deal. 40% of Heisman voters have already said they would not put Cam on their ballot. That should give you an idea of public perception. The SEC was already accused of propping up its best teams for the MNC and now they appear to have sat on info regarding Cam's eligibility, all for the sake of $$$$$. Now we will probably never shake the stigma of being a league of cheaters.
AU has definitely not done anything to help themselves. Hiring Trooper Taylor and having Pat Dye once again involved is never a sign of improvement for the better. Cam has the laptop incident, cheating on tests, and now the paid to play allegations. His credibility is zero.
Cecil Newton at first denied the allegations. Then he said money was discussed but it never changed hands. I don't know if AU done anything wrong, I do however have a hard time believing that in spite of Cecil wanting money from MSU, he sent his son to AU for free. That family just screams immorality!
I hope AU has done nothing wrong but I could care less about Cam and his father. Chizik is in a tough spot. He has a chance to lead a team to a MNC. He can quiet his detractors. He can earn the right to have a couple down years by bringing a MNC that AU has dearly sought after.
Good luck and I mean that sincerely. I don't think your program should have to pay for Cecil and Cams problems, providing they have done anything WORTH SANCTIONING.
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:21 pm to ellis1975
Public opinion means nothing as long as its legit. LSU has two crystals and thats all that matters
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:21 pm to ellis1975
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I don't think your program should have to pay for Cecil and Cams problems
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:22 pm to ellis1975
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ellis1975
Do you feel bad that you're about to see how in the minority you are?
AUBURN CHEATED.... that means, they have an UNFAIR advantage vs the rest of us who played more by the rules.
You can't cheat. douchebag.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:22 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Public opinion means nothing as long as its legit. LSU has two crystals and thats all that matters
this. If the Newton fiasco is nothing but smoke and mirrors, the will be just as proud as us.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:27 pm to m2pro
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Do you feel bad that you're about to see how in the minority you are? AUBURN CHEATED.... that means, they have an UNFAIR advantage vs the rest of us who played more by the rules. You can't cheat. douchebag.
Especially poignant coming from a bammer..
Decades of cheatin' to prove it..
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:29 pm to MsGarrison
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Public opinion means nothing as long as its legit. LSU has two crystals and thats all that matters
Agreed. I live in So Cal and laugh at the USC fans that claim they are the dynasty of the last 8yrs.
I just ask how many crystal balls they have...shuts them up pretty quick.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:30 pm to ellis1975
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As happy as we are with our recent MNC's, it kinda sucked when people kept talking about how we were the 1st 2 loss champ.
None of them really count until there is a playoff.
That said, IMO opinion your 2 loss team was the best in the country that year, nobody deserved a MNC more than LSU. Still, the system will always struggle with legitimacy until there is a true playoff.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:32 pm to MsGarrison
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Public opinion means nothing as long as its legit. LSU has two crystals and thats all that matters
Legit titles are all that matter. I could care less if we have a loss or 2 on the resume.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:33 pm to Jaybee44
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Jaybee44
right. we cheat, we pay.
you cheat, you pay. fine by me. we've cheated. we don't anymore. we don't have to. you do.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:35 pm to ellis1975
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AU has already lost in this deal.
Dude!!!
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:37 pm to Jaybee44
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Especially poignant coming from a bammer..
Decades of cheatin' to prove it..
I used to buy that from you Aubies, because I didn't really care to look at it further... but you frickers have been on probabation 7 times. Cheating is the one area where you make the Gumps look like amateurs.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:46 pm to tiger perry
I see the point was kinda lost. 
I am not currently debating the legitimacy of our 2007 MNC. Just that no mat what LSU fans say, we do get paranoid and ticked off when the 2007MNC is constantly brought up as LSU being the 1st and only 2 loss champ.
Also, we currnetly don't know that AU is being investigated. They have yet to be alerted or informed of the NCAA looking into their recruiting process. Therfore it seems that the major investigation is looking at into whether or not Cam and his father had any dealings with MSU, Bond, or Rogers that would rule him ineligible. Let's say those dealings with MSU does indeed make him ineligible. Is it inconcievable to think that it would suck for AU to possibly vacate wins in which Cam played in? After all, the eligibility issue would in fact have taken place before he decided on AU. You do realize that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has come out and publicly accused AU of offering anything to Cam? Not saying whether they did or didn't because that would be specualtion. But its fact that AU has not been informed that they are indeed the focus of ANY investigation.
I don't mind being in the minority, it doesn't mean a much to be in the majority of posters on the SEC rant.
Would it not suck if Ingram had been recruited by some other SEC school, then ended up going to Bama. How would you feel if it came out next week that not the NCAA is looking into Ingrams' recruitment process? What if they announced that a family requested money from another school so he is deemed ineligible for all of last year? EVERY Bama fan would be pissed. Who would wanna pay for the mistake that was made without their knowledge?
I am not currently debating the legitimacy of our 2007 MNC. Just that no mat what LSU fans say, we do get paranoid and ticked off when the 2007MNC is constantly brought up as LSU being the 1st and only 2 loss champ.
Also, we currnetly don't know that AU is being investigated. They have yet to be alerted or informed of the NCAA looking into their recruiting process. Therfore it seems that the major investigation is looking at into whether or not Cam and his father had any dealings with MSU, Bond, or Rogers that would rule him ineligible. Let's say those dealings with MSU does indeed make him ineligible. Is it inconcievable to think that it would suck for AU to possibly vacate wins in which Cam played in? After all, the eligibility issue would in fact have taken place before he decided on AU. You do realize that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has come out and publicly accused AU of offering anything to Cam? Not saying whether they did or didn't because that would be specualtion. But its fact that AU has not been informed that they are indeed the focus of ANY investigation.
I don't mind being in the minority, it doesn't mean a much to be in the majority of posters on the SEC rant.
Would it not suck if Ingram had been recruited by some other SEC school, then ended up going to Bama. How would you feel if it came out next week that not the NCAA is looking into Ingrams' recruitment process? What if they announced that a family requested money from another school so he is deemed ineligible for all of last year? EVERY Bama fan would be pissed. Who would wanna pay for the mistake that was made without their knowledge?
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:50 pm to Clockwatcher68
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I used to buy that from you Aubies, because I didn't really care to look at it further... but you frickers have been on probabation 7 times. Cheating is the one area where you make the Gumps look like amateurs.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:56 pm to m2pro
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AUBURN CHEATED.... that means, they have an UNFAIR advantage vs the rest of us who played more by the rules.
M2 - how did Auburn cheat?? I am still not understanding where THIS allegation is coming from.
If you are suggesting that AU must have paid Cam since reports say that MSU didn't, despite there being NO reports of AU paying him, then I can see your position.
If you are suggesting that the fact that MSU recruited Cam, and his dad MAY have asked for money from THEM, and been turned down - if that makes AU cheaters since we signed him fairly (again, NO ONE has accused AU of paying him), then WTF??
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:59 pm to CreoleAubie
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I am still not understanding where THIS allegation is coming from.
You would have to be a god damn fool to believe that Cecil Newton only asked little ol' Mississippi State for money and did not ask Auburn and other teams recruiting Cam. You would have to be a fricking idiot to believe such a thing.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:01 pm to Jaybee44
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Decades of cheatin' to prove it..
Remind us which SEC team has the most major NCAA violations.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:06 pm to vuvuzela
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You would have to be a god damn fool to believe that Cecil Newton only asked little ol' Mississippi State for money and did not ask Auburn and other teams recruiting Cam. You would have to be a fricking idiot to believe such a thing.
Fine, then I am an idiot. I think it is not only possible, but probable. If all of these alleged stories from sources are true - that Cecil DID in fact approach State about money only to get denied - wouldn't it make sense that he then thinks "Oh shite, I guess schools won't pay like I was hoping they would. Can't exactly send Cam to State now since the coaches know what I did, so I will instead send him to Auburn and hope no one says a word about this shite that I just tried."
Totally hypothetical, but just as plausible as all of the other innuendo.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:07 pm to tiger perry
LSU was undefeated in regular play but the 2 losses were from overtime. If memory served me right, one of those was triple overtime?
Sweet when it's all LEGIT!!
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:20 pm to CreoleAubie
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wouldn't it make sense that he then thinks "Oh shite, I guess schools won't pay like I was hoping they would. Can't exactly send Cam to State now since the coaches know what I did, so I will instead send him to Auburn and hope no one says a word about this shite that I just tried."
That's not a bad hypothesis. Only one problem. Why did MSU wait until after Cam committed to Auburn to report this to the NCAA? If, as you hypothesize, Cecil only shopped MSU and MSU turned him down, thus Cam goes to Auburn, why did MSU wait 3 months to report this? Also, why did MSU not pull their offer from Cam immediately? They were negotiating, friend, and they lost the bid.
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