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Has the SEC been down for the last 2 years? (with stats)

Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:00 am
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:00 am
I’ve seen a lot of posts on whether the SEC has been down this year. Some posts claim that the SEC is the weakest it has been this decade. I wasn’t really sure so I put some stats together on the teams’ performance of the last two years compared to their whole decade.



Teams that are statistically down by more than one game:

Tennessee has averaged 6 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 8.3 wins per year during the decade. The delta is -2.3

Auburn has averaged 6.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 8.7 wins per year during the decade. The delta is -2.2

LSU has averaged 8.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 9.9 wins per year during the decade. The delta is -1.4



Teams that are statistically within one game of their decade average:

Georgia has averaged 9 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 9.7 wins per year during the decade. The delta is -0.7

Arkansas has averaged 6.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 7 wins per year during the decade. The delta is -0.5

S. Carolina has averaged 7 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 6.8 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 0.2

Miss. State has averaged 4.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 4.2 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 0.3



Teams that are statistically up by more than one game:

Vanderbilt has averaged 4.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 3.4 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 1.1

Kentucky has averaged 7 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 5 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 2

Ole Miss has averaged 9 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 6.2 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 2.8

Florida has averaged 13 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 9.9 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 3.1

Alabama has averaged 12.5 wins over the last 2 years. They averaged 7.8 wins per year during the decade. The delta is 4.7



Looking at the decade as a whole, Tennessee and Auburn are over 2 games down from their decade average. LSU is down significantly but not nearly as bad as Tennessee and Auburn.

Georgia and Arkansas are down a little but are around their average. South Carolina and Mississippi State are up a little but are around their average.

Vandy was horrible this year but their bowl season last year had them over a game above their average for the last 2 years. Kentucky is 2 games better than their decade average. Ole Miss and Florida are around 3 games better than their decade average. The biggest jump has been Alabama who is 4.7 games above their decade aveage.

The SEC as a whole is averaging an additional 7.1 wins per season due to out of conference performances and bowl wins.

During the decade Tennessee and Auburn were good teams and they’ve been poor the last 2 years. LSU went from being dominant this decade to being less spectacular.

Florida has gone from being great to being almost unbeatable the last 2 years. Alabama has gone from fairly poor to almost unbeatable the last 2 years. Ole Miss has gone from fairly poor to being a good team.

Vandy had one year where they jumped but are back to horrible again. Kentucky has improved their performance quite a bit in the last 2 years.



So if you look at the decade versus the last 2 years the main difference is:

Tennessee and Auburn are way down and LSU has gone down quite a bit.

Bama, Florida, and Ole Miss are way up and Kentucky has improved quite a bit.


------Opinion below this line-----------


In my opinion it’s hard to argue the conference is down. Tennessee and Auburn have been replaced as good teams by Bama and Ole Miss. Florida has gone from good to great. LSU has dropped off a bit but Kentucky has improved to a bowl caliber team.

The top end of the conference has improved over the course of the decade. In the first 6 years of the decade only 1 team from the SEC played in the national championship game. An SEC team played in the national championship game the last 4 years of the decade. The SEC has been 11-6 in bowl games over the last 2 year as well. Bama will push that to 12-6 or 11-7. I'm really not seeing where the conference is down. I only see specific teams that are not doing as well.

Anyhow whenever people bitch and use the "because I think so" or "you're an idiot" argument it drives me nuts. My view on the stats might be different than yours but at least it's something to think about. Flame away.

**edit - bolded some items to make it easier to read.
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 1:01 am
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:01 am to
I think a lot of it has to do with the coaching turnover at a lot of the schools.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85790 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:02 am to
Too much to read when you're drunk .

Paraphrase please
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:03 am to
quote:

Too much to read when you're drunk .

Paraphrase please


Statistically Auburn and Tennessee are way down and LSU is quite a bit down.

Bama, Florida, and Ole Miss are way up and Kentucky is quite a bit up.

The rest is pretty much opinion.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:20 am to
Auburn won a SEC championship and was one of the top programs in football

UT went to 3 SECCG and had finished #11 in 2007.

LSU has three straight top 5 seasons.

Alabama has had 3 top 10 teams over the last 5 years. They weren't complete shite before Saban got there.

The UGA program looks a lot different than it did several years ago. People wee starting to turn on the coaching staff this year.

UF won a NC in 2006 so I would say OMG they are all the sudden unbeatable. They also finished 16th in 2007.

I don't see how UK and Ole Miss being decent make up for 3-4 big time programs trending downwards or slipping a little.

UK and Ole Miss will never be better than decent while the other programs have NC potential.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259895 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:22 am to
Anytime you have two teams going undefeated in league play virtually two years (UF had one loss last year) the league has a parity issue. Right now, its UF, Bama and then a huge gap between the rest. So the SEC is top heavy and mediocre the rest of the way.
Posted by Lee County Tiger
I Haz Sources
Member since Oct 2009
33354 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:24 am to
I think it's just more of the cycle/fluctuation that occurs from time to time in the SEC.
Posted by vegas-tiger
NV desert
Member since Dec 2003
2061 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:28 am to
Yes
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:30 am to
quote:

UK and Ole Miss will never be better than decent while the other programs have NC potential.



Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:34 am to
quote:

Anytime you have two teams going undefeated in league play virtually two years (UF had one loss last year) the league has a parity issue. Right now, its UF, Bama and then a huge gap between the rest. So the SEC is top heavy and mediocre the rest of the way.


But in other years the rest wasn't even mediocre.

In 2003 and 2004 there were 5 teams with losing records.

In 2005 half of the conference (6 teams) had losing records.

If you actually look at the stats and records, then the SEC has had some fairly mediocre seasons this decade.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 12:49 am to
quote:

UT went to 3 SECCG and had finished #11 in 2007.


But they went 8-5 in 2002. 5-6 in 2005. They weren't good every year.

quote:

LSU has three straight top 5 seasons.


And Bama was bad when LSU was doing that. They've flip flopped. Plus LSU did have some bad seasons this decade as well.

quote:

They weren't complete shite before Saban got there.


Yes they were. They have the best record in the SEC over the last 2 years and they're still 6th in the SEC on the decade. They averaged a little over 6.5 wins a season for the first 8 years of the decade.

quote:

The UGA program looks a lot different than it did several years ago. People wee starting to turn on the coaching staff this year.


UGA had 10 wins last year and only lost to Bama, Florida, and GT. This year they weren't as good.

quote:

UF won a NC in 2006 so I would say OMG they are all the sudden unbeatable. They also finished 16th in 2007.


This was still their best 2 year period of the decade by far.

quote:

I don't see how UK and Ole Miss being decent make up for 3-4 big time programs trending downwards or slipping a little.


Bama has gone from a little over 6.5 wins a year in the first 8 years to 12.5 in the last 2. Ole Miss has gone from bad to beating upper tier Big 12 teams 2 years in a row. They were 0-8 in the SEC just a few years ago. UK went 50 and 69 for the decade and that's even worse if you take out the last 2 years. Now they're a bowl team.

The SEC had a 3 year span having 5, 5, and 6 teams with losing records in the mid 2000's. It's impossible to argue that the bottom of the conference wasn't incredibly weak during those years.

This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 1:04 am
Posted by BamaDixi
Underneath Bryant-Denny
Member since Nov 2009
2265 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:18 am to
quote:

I think it's just more of the cycle/fluctuation that occurs from time to time in the SEC.
Winnah, Winnah, Chicken Dinnah!

It's just the natural progression of the conference. When one or a few teams backslide a little, other teams take their place. The SEC is no more "down" than it has been the past 5 years. Some of the more successful teams of recent years have fallen on harder times; however, teams with less success have improved.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:22 am to
quote:

It's just the natural progression of the conference. When one or a few teams backslide a little, other teams take their place. The SEC is no more "down" than it has been the past 5 years. Some of the more successful teams of recent years have fallen on harder times; however, teams with less success have improved.


I think the only difference is good programs are struggling. UT, AU, And LSU are good programs. UK and Ole Miss aren't anything and will never reach the success those teams have had.

UGA looks on the downslide too. We will see how they bounce back next year.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:35 am to
quote:

I think the only difference is good programs are struggling. UT, AU, And LSU are good programs. UK and Ole Miss aren't anything and will never reach the success those teams have had.

UGA looks on the downslide too. We will see how they bounce back next year.


I think it's unfair to say Ole Miss isn't anything when they've averaged more wins the last 2 years than AU and UT did for the decade. UGA had 10 wins last year so it's hard to tell if they're down based on a year. LSU had a bad year last year but had a shot for 10 wins this year with a win against Penn State. LSU had a great 3 year period this decade but it isn't like 9 wins has been horrible for them relative to the rest of the decade.

The biggest difference to me is the bottom of the conference is better. Much of the decade you had 5 or 6 teams with losing records while you only had 2 this year. Teams like Ole Miss, UK, Miss State (this year), Vandy (last year) are no longer free wins on your schedule.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259895 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:37 am to
quote:


It's just the natural progression of the conference. When one or a few teams backslide a little, other teams take their place.



I don't see that at all the last two years. Teams have slid, yes. No one has really stepped up to take their place. The SEC east was extremely non comptetitive. The West, LSU was the second best team and they didn't beat anyone of note. Ole Miss....huge disappointment. It wasn't very good beyond the top two teams.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:47 am to
quote:

I don't see that at all the last two years. Teams have slid, yes. No one has really stepped up to take their place.


Bama, Florida, UK, and Ole Miss are all much better over the last 2 years than they have been for the rest of the decade. When you go from 6 and 7 bowl eligible teams to 10 and a much better out of conference winning percentage, then some team had to step up.

I don't see how you can argue that the conference was deep in the mid-2000's when 5 to 6 teams had losing records for 3 years straight. Not only were those teams losing in conference but they were losing out of conference.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:58 am to
I have always been of the opinion that having 5-6 elite programs is better than having 2 and a bunch of average and suck teams. The fact some teams are not complete suck now and only capable of beating elite programs outside of a fluke is not good.

Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35936 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:05 am to
To be honest, I think this whole discussion is silly. If LSU had managed to pull off their close game against Penn St., or USCe hadn't dropped the ball against Conneticut and Alabama beats Texas, the SEC would be 7-3 in Bowl Games and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

And if Bama wins and we compare the SEC to the other conferences, the only ones with better winning percentages are the Mountain West, the Big East, and the Sun Belt.


# Mountain West: 4-0


# Big East: 4-2


# SEC: 5-4


# Big 12: 4-3


# ACC: 3-3


# Big Ten: 3-3


# Pac-10: 2-5


# Sun Belt: 1-0


# C-USA: 2-4


# WAC: 1-2
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:20 am to
quote:

have always been of the opinion that having 5-6 elite programs


We've never had 5 or 6 elite teams in a given year. We only had one team in the first half of the decade that even got to play for a national championship. Plus you're acting like these teams were elite every year. Auburn lost 23 to 0 to USC in 2003.

Look at the number of 10 win seasons that teams had over the first 8 years of decade. LSU was one of the best teams and they had 5. Georgia had 5. Tennessee had 4. Florida only had 3. People forget that they weren't good during the Zook years. Auburn is elite yet they've only had 2 10 win seasons. Look at the number of 7, 8, or even losing record seasons some of these teams had in the decade. They're not elite every year like people are making it out.

quote:

better than having 2 and a bunch of average and suck teams.


Last year we had 2 teams in the top 6 and 4 teams in the top 15. That is as good as any year in the SEC.

This year we'll have 2 in the top 5 and probably 4 in the top 25. We also had 10 bowl eligible teams.

We're about where we always are.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53804 posts
Posted on 1/4/10 at 4:19 am to
In my opinion the SEC is just back like it has always been in the past. BAMA is good and everybody else is trying to beat us.
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