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Posted on 6/16/17 at 2:07 pm to Doresrules
Counterpoint: we were paying Freeze that much AFTER beating Bama, making a NY6 Bowl, and recruiting at a level higher than our program literally ever has. We wouldn't just hand some guy the keys and $5m as soon as he gets to campus. Likewise, if someone is actually worth $5m on the open market, why would they take our $5m to rebuild and right the ship when they could get $5m from any comparable program in the nation, all or most of whom lack consequences from NCAA bullshite. If we have to make a new hire, we're going to have to pray that he's a Bill O'Brien and not an USCw Lane Kiffin. Regardless, I don't see any way in hell an established coach would come here unless it's a substantial raise and jump in brand recognition, a la Matt Rhule leaving Temple for Baylor
ETA re: forfeiting games: the NOA isn't purely concerned with us paying players who trolled us and signed elsewhere. Even if the allegedly imropriotous players weren't on our field, the allegedly impropriotous staff was. JoePa lost a ton of wins over Sandusky, and the last people responsible for that heinous shitshow were the players who got JoePa those wins in the first place
ETA re: forfeiting games: the NOA isn't purely concerned with us paying players who trolled us and signed elsewhere. Even if the allegedly imropriotous players weren't on our field, the allegedly impropriotous staff was. JoePa lost a ton of wins over Sandusky, and the last people responsible for that heinous shitshow were the players who got JoePa those wins in the first place
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Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:32 pm to TOFTR
I agree that no coach worth 5 million is going to waste his time and reputation to attempt to rebuild at Ole Miss, who over the last 47 years has not been a football power house.
Give Freeze credit for having a game plan to get recruits on campus and on the field for the Rebels.
He did it when Ogreon was here, and when the name coach came in after that look what happened?
It will take a strong recruiter to make Ole Miss a competitive team in the SEC. This is why Freeze was the best pick for the job when he was hired.
Give Freeze credit for having a game plan to get recruits on campus and on the field for the Rebels.
He did it when Ogreon was here, and when the name coach came in after that look what happened?
It will take a strong recruiter to make Ole Miss a competitive team in the SEC. This is why Freeze was the best pick for the job when he was hired.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:33 am to TSUNRebel
This isn't 97. OM has the facilities and financial means to hire great coaches period. Coaches aren't turning down 5 million a year. There would only be a select few coaches who would pass on that kind of money. Not to mention you'd habe built in security because of what you'd be coming back from assuming Freeze was fired. If we are talking the next up and coming coach they aren't turning down a SEC gig and millions.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 4:34 pm to Doresrules
I feel like we were struggling to hire position coaches just a few months ago and ended up with the OC from Bumfrick Community College, I'm sure we would struggle to hire a head coach.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 5:04 pm to umrebel2009
Hiring a position coach in the middle of an investigation with no guarantee of security is totally different than hiring a HC after the results are known.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 5:24 pm to Doresrules
LSU literally just got stuck with Orgeron with no investigation, and being a high profile program.
If we get rid of freeze we won't be hiring a big name regardless of the money we spend. We will end up with Phil longo as our head coach
If we get rid of freeze we won't be hiring a big name regardless of the money we spend. We will end up with Phil longo as our head coach
Posted on 6/19/17 at 5:52 pm to Doresrules
No, coaches don't turn down 5 million a year, they sure do leave when they have a little success rebuilding at a lower tier school.
Unless your name is Dan Mullen. He continues to do a great job at state considering the circumstances, but yet he can't get out of Starkville. He must be an A1 arse that he can't get out of Starkville.
Unless your name is Dan Mullen. He continues to do a great job at state considering the circumstances, but yet he can't get out of Starkville. He must be an A1 arse that he can't get out of Starkville.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:07 pm to umrebel2009
You have no clue what you are talking about. LSU hired Coach O not because they were stuck but because their AD didnt want to be in a bidding war with Texas and made a over reaction pride hire. It had zero to do with available candidates.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:09 pm to TSUNRebel
OM isn't a lower tier school. There are only a select handful of jobs that can offer what OM offers. Once again this isn't 97.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:24 pm to TSUNRebel
I still think that anyone that wants Freeze gone is a moron or has another motive. Last year was bad defensively and he cleaned house. Other than that, dude has been lighting up the score board and winning games.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:47 pm to Landmass
Lighting up the scoreboard and winning? Look I understand the argument for keeping him but I swear some of our fans act like the guy is Jesus. We are in the middle of the sloppiest NCAA handling in decades. We had coaches agreeing to let boosters contact players. We had multiple players with loaner cars. This is Freeze team. The NCAA wants Freeze so why on hell would we ride with him? We act as if no other coach can get it done here. We have the facilities, resources, and ability to recruit top players without Freeze. I just don't understand running the program into the ground defending this guy.
This thread is the positive view. But what happens when the NCAA nails our zass, we get a 2 year bowl ban, lose our current stars, have 25-30 scholarships reduced and Freeze gets a show cause?
This thread is the positive view. But what happens when the NCAA nails our zass, we get a 2 year bowl ban, lose our current stars, have 25-30 scholarships reduced and Freeze gets a show cause?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 7:07 pm to Doresrules
They knew they weren't outbidding Texas and weren't getting jimbo so they jumped on Orgeron before it looked like he was the last resort.
But regardless, can you name the last time we made a big hire in football whether head coach or assistant? Or a time we hired a coach that anybody else was after? The only one I can think of is the Oregon coach we just hired that got stole from us before he made it to campus.
Every other coach we have hired has either been a washed up coach or a relatively low level coach.
But regardless, can you name the last time we made a big hire in football whether head coach or assistant? Or a time we hired a coach that anybody else was after? The only one I can think of is the Oregon coach we just hired that got stole from us before he made it to campus.
Every other coach we have hired has either been a washed up coach or a relatively low level coach.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:24 pm to Doresrules
I remember late last year it was mentioned that the NCAA was going to use the Press
as well as immunity to get evidence against Ole Miss. Recently, I've noticed a lot of "journalists"pushing the story that Ole Miss won't be successful with their defense. I'm guessing that the NCAA is now using the Press to push their agenda in regards to the penalties Ole Miss will face. I think they want Ole Miss to fire Freeze before the punishment gets handed down. Not to lessen the penalties, but to limit the chance of a Freeze lawsuit against the NCAA.
as well as immunity to get evidence against Ole Miss. Recently, I've noticed a lot of "journalists"pushing the story that Ole Miss won't be successful with their defense. I'm guessing that the NCAA is now using the Press to push their agenda in regards to the penalties Ole Miss will face. I think they want Ole Miss to fire Freeze before the punishment gets handed down. Not to lessen the penalties, but to limit the chance of a Freeze lawsuit against the NCAA.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:32 pm to umrebel2009
You honestly think the best LSU could do was Coach O? No one believes that. The AD was just a idiot.
Bringing up the past is neither here nor there. According to USA Today, Freeze was the 9th highest paid coach in 2016. The coach ON hired 20 years ago doesn't mean anything to where this program is today. I'm not suggesting we can get Nick Saban, I'm saying Freeze isn't the only coach who could win here. 5 million a year could get you a hell of a good coach.
Bringing up the past is neither here nor there. According to USA Today, Freeze was the 9th highest paid coach in 2016. The coach ON hired 20 years ago doesn't mean anything to where this program is today. I'm not suggesting we can get Nick Saban, I'm saying Freeze isn't the only coach who could win here. 5 million a year could get you a hell of a good coach.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 8:39 pm to Doresrules
You are correct, this isn't '97, but this is the SEC where Ole Miss is a lower tier school, until someone lifts Ole Miss above, Bama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas and aTm, it is a lower tier team in the SEC. Over the last 46 years these schools have performed better on the field and have become some of the largest universities in the country, whereas Ole Miss struggles to be the largest university in the poorest state in the country.
Freeze was well on his way to making the move to put Ole Miss in the top tier, this is why he was subjected to the NCAA witch hunt. I wouldn't call him Jesus, but if there is a better coach to lead Ole Miss out of the desert of mediocrity he isn't making his presence known to anyone at the university.
Freeze could come out smelling like a rose in the end. Noting that some things were done wrong, but being able to be vindicated in the end will go a long way in continuing his success recruiting and on the field.
This will be my 41st season of Ole Miss football as a fan, student, an alum and parent of Ole Miss grads. Freeze has shown more ability to make Ole Miss have long term relevancy than anyone else since Vaught.
Some of you seem to want to fault Freeze for this situation, why? If you want to blame someone blame those coaches that cried to the NCAA because they couldn't buy players away from Ole Miss.
It's understood that Ole Miss isn't to be allowed to have a winning program. Every single time in the past that Ole Miss has had any success, the NCAA was sent in to keep the Rebels down.
If you don't understand that there is a pecking order in the SEC you are delusional.
Freeze was well on his way to making the move to put Ole Miss in the top tier, this is why he was subjected to the NCAA witch hunt. I wouldn't call him Jesus, but if there is a better coach to lead Ole Miss out of the desert of mediocrity he isn't making his presence known to anyone at the university.
Freeze could come out smelling like a rose in the end. Noting that some things were done wrong, but being able to be vindicated in the end will go a long way in continuing his success recruiting and on the field.
This will be my 41st season of Ole Miss football as a fan, student, an alum and parent of Ole Miss grads. Freeze has shown more ability to make Ole Miss have long term relevancy than anyone else since Vaught.
Some of you seem to want to fault Freeze for this situation, why? If you want to blame someone blame those coaches that cried to the NCAA because they couldn't buy players away from Ole Miss.
It's understood that Ole Miss isn't to be allowed to have a winning program. Every single time in the past that Ole Miss has had any success, the NCAA was sent in to keep the Rebels down.
If you don't understand that there is a pecking order in the SEC you are delusional.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:43 pm to umrebel2009
when did this board get taken over by RebelGrove
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:45 pm to Doresrules
Dores - 90% of NOA#2 is Leo Lewis. His claims have collapsed. If the NCAA refused to use the sworn testimony of Leo and the Rebel Rags owner, we will file a $100 million lawsuit.
Based on the other verdicts against the NCAA, we will prevail. Punitive damages could add another $200 million.
Based on the other verdicts against the NCAA, we will prevail. Punitive damages could add another $200 million.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:20 am to Doresrules
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Coaches aren't turning down 5 million a year. There would only be a select few coaches who would pass on that kind of money
Ok. Who do you think would even come to interview at Ole Miss with a 2 year bowl ban and 16 schollies lost. Give me a list of 5 coaches who would even talk to us under those circumstances:
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:24 am to TSUNRebel
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It's understood that Ole Miss isn't to be allowed to have a winning program. Every single time in the past that Ole Miss has had any success, the NCAA was sent in to keep the Rebels down
This is a perfect example of why people make fun of Mississippi
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