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Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:29 pm to Rebel Land Shark
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:29 pm to Rebel Land Shark
No, if the NCAA indeed is doing this, they are getting extremely desperate.
Which will only make each and every win, that much sweeter.
Which will only make each and every win, that much sweeter.
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:40 pm to TSUNRebel
To be honest, I'm starting to lose interest in the NCAA ordeal, and Forde realizes this after this time next week, so will everyone else, so he's got to get some last second clicks before the season starts.
Whatever will happen, will happen. And again, whatever it is, it won't be as bad as state fans want and will be worse than what OM fans want.
If this case was as open-and-shut as some people think, the NCAA wouldn't still be investigating 4 yrs later. I'm somewhat inclined to believe that the longer this goes on, the less they may actually have
Whatever will happen, will happen. And again, whatever it is, it won't be as bad as state fans want and will be worse than what OM fans want.
If this case was as open-and-shut as some people think, the NCAA wouldn't still be investigating 4 yrs later. I'm somewhat inclined to believe that the longer this goes on, the less they may actually have
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:40 pm to OMReb21
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Well, either Ross is getting lied to or he's feeding us a lot of crap.
Pretty sure this is the case. This investigation is going to be program-altering for years to come when all is said and done. I mean, it could actually affect the entire landscape of college football, with so much potential for new / modern precedents in this new age of NCAA enforcement.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:49 pm to fillmoregandt
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To be honest, I'm starting to lose interest in the NCAA ordeal, and Forde realizes this after this time next week, so will everyone else, so he's got to get some last second clicks before the season starts.
Whatever will happen, will happen. And again, whatever it is, it won't be as bad as state fans want and will be worse than what OM fans want.
If this case was as open-and-shut as some people think, the NCAA wouldn't still be investigating 4 yrs later. I'm somewhat inclined to believe that the longer this goes on, the less they may actually have
This. I'm really bored with this story and really don't care anymore for all these reasons.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:13 pm to skirpnasty
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Don't get me wrong, I would love to get pulled over for speeding and the cop let me off because other drivers were going the speed limit.
If we're gonna pay a player, the number one overall player is probably a good candidate to get an offer under the table. Say, like tunsil because there's "no other reason he would go here. "
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:15 pm to fillmoregandt
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Whatever will happen, will happen. And again, whatever it is, it won't be as bad as state fans want and will be worse than what OM fans want.
I would take it a step further and say that OM fans will be ok with the penalties. The NCAA has no chest.
Y'all baws did it right. Go all in 'cause you know that you aren't gonna get the death penalty. So why not cheat more than everybody else is and enjoy your higher-than-average success.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:17 pm to TMRebel
Kellenberger wrote a decent article calling this what it is: a fishing operation by the NCAA.
In the past, that hasn't worked out well for the NCAA. We'll see. They botched the Miami case, and any mis-crossed t or undotted i could do the same here.
In the past, that hasn't worked out well for the NCAA. We'll see. They botched the Miami case, and any mis-crossed t or undotted i could do the same here.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:21 pm to cbi8
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I would take it a step further and say that OM fans will be ok with the penalties
Short of a bowl ban, yes. We are ready to take our licks and move on
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So why not cheat more than everybody else is and enjoy your higher-than-average success.
Doubt we're cheating much more than anyone else. Our case is essentially the ULL case, plus a few more minor things. The problem is that the NCAA is convinced (along with every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a Twitter handle) there's more out there, even though they can't find anything. At what point do they/we say 'enough is enough'?
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:34 pm to fillmoregandt
I'm gonna play the Devil's advocate here, because I enjoy actual discussion which you can't get on tRant.
I agree, it just seems like Ole Miss is "better" at cheating than everybody else. There is almost an unwritten rule that everyone cheats but schools are supposed to stay in their own tax bracket of sorts. What I mean by this is that when a Florida or an Alabama or an Auburn cheats (see: Cam) and wins a National Championship, it's ok because they are a National Championship caliber program. When Ole Miss or Mississippi State cheats and becomes National Title contenders, everybody else gets all uppity because we traditionally are not contenders.
What I'm trying to say is there is a ceiling for the cheating to success ratio. The more success you have, the more eyes you will have on your program, which brings me to my next point.
The cliche of "all publicity is good publicity" applies to Ole Miss' current situation. OM has been discussed ALL SUMMER in nearly all media outlets. You couldn't pay for that much publicity. What kid wouldn't want to make the against the grain decision to play for a villain school like Ole Miss? Y'all have haters. To have haters, you must first have success.
TL;DR: Ole Miss won't skip a beat with the investigation and will continue to have major success
/hot take
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Doubt we're cheating much more than anyone else.
I agree, it just seems like Ole Miss is "better" at cheating than everybody else. There is almost an unwritten rule that everyone cheats but schools are supposed to stay in their own tax bracket of sorts. What I mean by this is that when a Florida or an Alabama or an Auburn cheats (see: Cam) and wins a National Championship, it's ok because they are a National Championship caliber program. When Ole Miss or Mississippi State cheats and becomes National Title contenders, everybody else gets all uppity because we traditionally are not contenders.
What I'm trying to say is there is a ceiling for the cheating to success ratio. The more success you have, the more eyes you will have on your program, which brings me to my next point.
The cliche of "all publicity is good publicity" applies to Ole Miss' current situation. OM has been discussed ALL SUMMER in nearly all media outlets. You couldn't pay for that much publicity. What kid wouldn't want to make the against the grain decision to play for a villain school like Ole Miss? Y'all have haters. To have haters, you must first have success.
TL;DR: Ole Miss won't skip a beat with the investigation and will continue to have major success
/hot take
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:38 pm to TMRebel
Yeah I really don't give a shite. This is going to end poorly for both sides without a doubt.
Meantime, we might have the most electric team in the country this year. How anybody could be more focused on the NCAA at this point is beyond me.
Meantime, we might have the most electric team in the country this year. How anybody could be more focused on the NCAA at this point is beyond me.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:42 pm to cbi8
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I'm gonna play the Devil's advocate here, because I enjoy actual discussion which you can't get on tRant.
Ditto
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The more success you have, the more eyes you will have on your program, which brings me to my next point.
I agree. We're just Johnny-come-lately, and this summer has been relatively slow (as far as college football hot-takes go. Other than the rape cases, but who wants to talk about that? OM is a much less-offensive story to follow)
OkieState went through this a few years ago as they were starting to emerge. Remember the hit pieces on them?
The best thing that can happen for OM is for next week to hurry its arse and get here. Once kickoff starts, we can move to actual football talk, rather than black helicopters and he-said,she-said.
I had a theory at one time that we and the NCAA have moreorless agreed to the proposed penalties, but couldn't announce it for fear of both (OM and the NCAA) being ripped to shreds during a slow news cycle. By waiting until during the season, a final verdict could be quietly announced without much fanfare and we all move along. That's a mighty big pipe dream, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:44 pm to fillmoregandt
Here's my .02,
For those that think we should sue the NCAA, by doing so we allow the courts and NCAA to subpoena us allowing for even more evidence to be revealed. The NCAA cannot subpoena right now, they don't have that power.
Secondly, at this point there isn't much we can do, I know that people want us to go at the NCAA and fight them but that just doesn't work. We are nearing the end of this and to fight them near the end would be stupid after we have complied with them for the entirety of the process.
The point I want to make is that the NCAA is out for blood. Yes, the Ole Miss administration has been compliant with the NCAA, but Freeze and the staff themselves have not. Freeze and Co. have bore down and not strayed from their stance that they knew nothing that happened. No coaches have been fired, no suspensions, nothing. Heck, Bo Davis was fired from Bama immediately for apparent violations.
What I'm getting at is that in the NCAA's eyes, Freeze and Co. did things the wrong way and have not taken ownership of it. They want us to pay for what's gone on and the amount of time they've spent in Oxford. Tunsil and other players have not talked and the NCAA hasn't gotten anymore evidence so they've turned their attention to other teams that we have recruiting against in the NCAA like State, Bama, and Auburn. Just because they interview the players does not mean anything will come of it. Austin Golson, for example, would still have to provide evidence if he decided to throw us under the bus.
If you really read more into the article and think about this thing, the NCAA hasn't found anything else. They hit a wall in Tunsil so they moved on to players on opposing teams. What we as Ole Miss fans have to worry about is the fact that it appears the NCAA is out to make a statement with regards to Ole Miss, that this investigation may not conclude until mid-2017, and Ross Bjork either was not privy to this new information, which I would guess he wasn't, or he is lying to the fanbase that he serves. I highly doubt that.
Regardless, the 2016 football team is going to come together and have a fantastic year. This team has a chance to do some special things and this investigation shouldn't ruin the season ahead for any of you. Support the players and team that we have. If something happens next year, then it does, but there isn't anything you can do about it. Enjoy this season and the memories it provides. Let's ride! Hotty Toddy and Go Rebs!
For those that think we should sue the NCAA, by doing so we allow the courts and NCAA to subpoena us allowing for even more evidence to be revealed. The NCAA cannot subpoena right now, they don't have that power.
Secondly, at this point there isn't much we can do, I know that people want us to go at the NCAA and fight them but that just doesn't work. We are nearing the end of this and to fight them near the end would be stupid after we have complied with them for the entirety of the process.
The point I want to make is that the NCAA is out for blood. Yes, the Ole Miss administration has been compliant with the NCAA, but Freeze and the staff themselves have not. Freeze and Co. have bore down and not strayed from their stance that they knew nothing that happened. No coaches have been fired, no suspensions, nothing. Heck, Bo Davis was fired from Bama immediately for apparent violations.
What I'm getting at is that in the NCAA's eyes, Freeze and Co. did things the wrong way and have not taken ownership of it. They want us to pay for what's gone on and the amount of time they've spent in Oxford. Tunsil and other players have not talked and the NCAA hasn't gotten anymore evidence so they've turned their attention to other teams that we have recruiting against in the NCAA like State, Bama, and Auburn. Just because they interview the players does not mean anything will come of it. Austin Golson, for example, would still have to provide evidence if he decided to throw us under the bus.
If you really read more into the article and think about this thing, the NCAA hasn't found anything else. They hit a wall in Tunsil so they moved on to players on opposing teams. What we as Ole Miss fans have to worry about is the fact that it appears the NCAA is out to make a statement with regards to Ole Miss, that this investigation may not conclude until mid-2017, and Ross Bjork either was not privy to this new information, which I would guess he wasn't, or he is lying to the fanbase that he serves. I highly doubt that.
Regardless, the 2016 football team is going to come together and have a fantastic year. This team has a chance to do some special things and this investigation shouldn't ruin the season ahead for any of you. Support the players and team that we have. If something happens next year, then it does, but there isn't anything you can do about it. Enjoy this season and the memories it provides. Let's ride! Hotty Toddy and Go Rebs!
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:54 pm to fillmoregandt
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I had a theory at one time that we and the NCAA have moreorless agreed to the proposed penalties, but couldn't announce it for fear of both (OM and the NCAA) being ripped to shreds during a slow news cycle. By waiting until during the season, a final verdict could be quietly announced without much fanfare and we all move along. That's a mighty big pipe dream, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me
I'd put money on this.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 2:18 pm to cbi8
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I agree, it just seems like Ole Miss is "better" at cheating than everybody else. There is almost an unwritten rule that everyone cheats but schools are supposed to stay in their own tax bracket of sorts. What I mean by this is that when a Florida or an Alabama or an Auburn cheats (see: Cam) and wins a National Championship, it's ok because they are a National Championship caliber program. When Ole Miss or Mississippi State cheats and becomes National Title contenders, everybody else gets all uppity because we traditionally are not contenders.
What I'm trying to say is there is a ceiling for the cheating to success ratio. The more success you have, the more eyes you will have on your program, which brings me to my next point.
The cliche of "all publicity is good publicity" applies to Ole Miss' current situation. OM has been discussed ALL SUMMER in nearly all media outlets. You couldn't pay for that much publicity. What kid wouldn't want to make the against the grain decision to play for a villain school like Ole Miss? Y'all have haters. To have haters, you must first have success.
TL;DR: Ole Miss won't skip a beat with the investigation and will continue to have major success
/hot take
Well damn, didn't know this kind of rhetoric was possible in this little corner of the internet.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 3:24 pm to beHop
We really should have fired the 2 coaches implicated in the Tunsil text. Those guys were idiots for responding to Tunsil's text in the first place instead of driving over to see him and telling him never to text that kind of stuff. Also hard not to be really pissed at Laremy. If he hadn't kept all this stuff on his phone and given it to whomever it is that leaked it, we would have gotten a slap on the wrist and moved on.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 3:40 pm to rebsfan10
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Those guys were idiots for responding to Tunsil's text in the first place instead of driving over to see him and telling him never to text that kind of stuff.
If the texts were legitimate requests (opportunity fund, cost of tuition, etc...whatever you want to call it), then they'd have no reason to hide them or sneak around the matter or communicate face-to-face.
And if they were, in fact, illegal payments, then I'd doubt they be dumb enough to store them as they did. After all, if we're so sneaky and shady about cheating, then text messaging players from your university phone about payments would have been covered in Cheating 101 What Not to Do
No one (other than those involved) know the context of those messages. Any guesses are just that....guesses
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:55 pm to fillmoregandt
The problem is that we allowed the NCAA to come in, screw our wife, drink our beer, eat our food and leave the house in a wreck without paying for anything.
We really need to embrace a "prove it or GTFO" stance. Cooperation has only made this thing extend WAY beyond any reasonable time frame.
We really need to embrace a "prove it or GTFO" stance. Cooperation has only made this thing extend WAY beyond any reasonable time frame.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 6:42 pm to Wanderin Reb
Yes, Ole Miss is being targeted. I've accepted they will hit us. They've dig too deep of a hole and their pride is on the line. FWIW, I grew up a USCw fan. Family is originally from Southern Cal. I can't get enough of the NCAA In that case as well the NCAA had a pre-determined punishment. Then Todd McNair sued the shite out of them and NCAA requested to California judge that documents not be released to the public. Judge said they were "malicious" in their investigation into Todd McNair. At this point, I want Ole Miss to say frick off. I've accepted the penalties etc. I just hope we frick some teams up this year.
In that case as well the NCAA had a pre-determined punishment. Then Todd McNair sued the shite out of them and NCAA requested to California judge that documents not be released to the public. Judge said they were "malicious" in their investigation into Todd McNair. At this point, I want Ole Miss to say frick off. I've accepted the penalties etc. I just hope we frick some teams up this year. 
Posted on 8/25/16 at 7:19 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
The more I have read or heard about this the worse I feel. I mean to go to rival teams and grant immunity to players we recruited is about ludicrous. Then I listened to a podcast briefly (Freedman and Mandel I do believe) where one of them had heard that 2 SEC coaches had talked with the NCAA. Once again that reeks of sour grapes and the NCAA going to the "nth" degree to fabricate something. I am not a huge fan of Kellenberger but I think he is spot on in his article today.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 8:18 pm to ABearsFanNMS
I really didn't think y'all were going to get hit hard until the immunity thing. That's bad news, and the NCAA being shady as frick.
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