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So Matt Luke...
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:35 am
I have somewhat been a defender of him, but my patience is wearing thin. Though I want to play devil's advocate.
His OL last night was a Juco LT, a true freshman, a banged up center, a senior with 2 acl tears and a RS freshman at 280lbs with a sophomore who needs surgery and another RS freshman as a backup. Would any OL coach be praised with that talent? I think we can all agree if we take a second and think instead of just madly pointing blame that no OL coach would look good with that lineup.
Where I think our frustration comes from is this is year 4. Why is that our only options in year 4? The first automatic thought is he isn't developing players so young kids have to step in a role they aren't ready for. Well if you break it down instead of just once again angrily assigning blame, the one player that he recruited that he's had more than 1 full year to develop is Daronte Bouldin. Davion had to leave with a concussion, Golson transferred, Christian Morris has been through one spring and one summer workout. The only other player that may fit that mold is Tyler Putman who tore his ACL in the middle of his season and we stuck with his commitment which is a HC decision, not Luke's. Justin Bell won't lose weight and Ben Still's next best offer was Tulane.
The next thought should be, "well everyone has injuries, everyone has suspensions, we have not recruited/developed to adapt to the world not working out perfectly". The recruiting aspect of that, I've got nothing other than who else has recruited better on the OL than Matt Luke in OM history? 3 five stars, another possibly on the way, a 4* already committed, to go along with another that we traded out in a transfer (Morris for Golson). Out of those 4 highly rated players, only 1 was on the field mildly healthy. Tunsil is suspended, Morris has had one offseason, Rod needs surgery, and our one elite healthy OL is a true freshman.
I am of the mind that only the 3 year and gone players can come in and be productive as freshmen at that position in this league. I am also of the mind that OL development is more about experience, motivation, and getting your body right then some secret technique that only a few people in the world know about. All of these coaches are teaching the same things. Matt Luke has proven he can recruit better than any OL coach we have had and no one try's to motivate his guys more than Luke. So maybe that's why I keep holding onto hope that he isn't the whole issue. I did not like the hire in the beginning because his OL's ran a pro style offense. He played in a pro style.
Like I said, I am playing devils advocate a little here and I am beyond frustrated that one unit might bring down the entire ship. But take a step back and look at what he has, look at what he's recruited, and remember he's a Reb who will do everything he can to make this right. Is it enough? If we land Little then next year we will see because he will return basically 4 starters, who are all in their 3rd+ years except our best OL at the moment in Patterson.
His OL last night was a Juco LT, a true freshman, a banged up center, a senior with 2 acl tears and a RS freshman at 280lbs with a sophomore who needs surgery and another RS freshman as a backup. Would any OL coach be praised with that talent? I think we can all agree if we take a second and think instead of just madly pointing blame that no OL coach would look good with that lineup.
Where I think our frustration comes from is this is year 4. Why is that our only options in year 4? The first automatic thought is he isn't developing players so young kids have to step in a role they aren't ready for. Well if you break it down instead of just once again angrily assigning blame, the one player that he recruited that he's had more than 1 full year to develop is Daronte Bouldin. Davion had to leave with a concussion, Golson transferred, Christian Morris has been through one spring and one summer workout. The only other player that may fit that mold is Tyler Putman who tore his ACL in the middle of his season and we stuck with his commitment which is a HC decision, not Luke's. Justin Bell won't lose weight and Ben Still's next best offer was Tulane.
The next thought should be, "well everyone has injuries, everyone has suspensions, we have not recruited/developed to adapt to the world not working out perfectly". The recruiting aspect of that, I've got nothing other than who else has recruited better on the OL than Matt Luke in OM history? 3 five stars, another possibly on the way, a 4* already committed, to go along with another that we traded out in a transfer (Morris for Golson). Out of those 4 highly rated players, only 1 was on the field mildly healthy. Tunsil is suspended, Morris has had one offseason, Rod needs surgery, and our one elite healthy OL is a true freshman.
I am of the mind that only the 3 year and gone players can come in and be productive as freshmen at that position in this league. I am also of the mind that OL development is more about experience, motivation, and getting your body right then some secret technique that only a few people in the world know about. All of these coaches are teaching the same things. Matt Luke has proven he can recruit better than any OL coach we have had and no one try's to motivate his guys more than Luke. So maybe that's why I keep holding onto hope that he isn't the whole issue. I did not like the hire in the beginning because his OL's ran a pro style offense. He played in a pro style.
Like I said, I am playing devils advocate a little here and I am beyond frustrated that one unit might bring down the entire ship. But take a step back and look at what he has, look at what he's recruited, and remember he's a Reb who will do everything he can to make this right. Is it enough? If we land Little then next year we will see because he will return basically 4 starters, who are all in their 3rd+ years except our best OL at the moment in Patterson.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:42 am to Whereisomaha
Part of his job is recruiting offensive linemen and he has been shite tastic at that. I don't think he's a bad offensive line coach but he has to get some depth there. He's doing an ok job with what he has.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:51 am to Henry Jones Jr
I don't necessarily think he has been AWFUL at recruiting offensive linemen, but he needs to do a better job developing what he has. It's going to be a struggle next year without Tunsil and Cooper.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:59 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Part of his job is recruiting offensive linemen and he has been shite tastic at that.
What??
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:01 am to UMRealist
My question is why does it seem like every year our OL gets depleted and so many guys are hurt? Is it just a freak thing, bad conditioning, or maybe the scheme? Just seems strange that this sort of thing happens every season. Doesn't help having our best OL suspended though.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:10 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Part of his job is recruiting offensive linemen and he has been shite tastic at that.
Oh, come the frick on
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:13 am to OMReb21
Fair question that I don't have an answer to.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:20 am to UMRealist
quote:Outside of Tunsil, what has be gotten us?
What??
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:30 am to Henry Jones Jr
Here is another way to look at things to put in perspective. All spring & Summer you heard constant reports about how depleted the Gators were along the line. At one point they only had 6 scholarship OL available. Well they were playing a bunch of nobodies with a *5 true Freshman last night and looked legit against our DL....that is what a good OL coach can do....just food for thought!
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
Rod Taylor, Javon Patterson, Christian Morris (who was a 4* recruit), Golson, Burton and Cooper. He hasn't recruited the position bad. We just haven't developed them or kept them on the field.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:44 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Golson, Morris, Taylor, Patterson were all top 10 players at their position. Two days away from signing Drew Richmond. Bryce Matthews is a very good prospect many teams want. We are a front runner for Greg Little.
Outside of Tunsil, what has be gotten us?
Do you expect every player to come in and be Tunsil immediately? Patterson has been pretty damn good for a true freshman and supposedly he's hurt right now too.
Imagine if we recruited Rb or LB that well.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:47 am to Whereisomaha
We are probably at about middle of the SEC in oline recruiting (everyone except State in the West and UGA and UT in the east). We are at the bottom of the SEC in oline development.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:48 am to Henry Jones Jr
What has he gotten us? Let's see. The #1 guard in the country in Taylor. The #1 guard in the country in Patterson. 3 star Rawlings who is playing. Also four star Golson who just happened to be a shite head and left the team. He got us four star Morris who was the #9 LT in 2013 but is struggling recovering from a achilles. We currently have a 4 star tackle committed and most presume the favorite for the #1 LT in the country.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:52 am to Doresrules
quote:Good point
Let's see. The #1 guard in the country in Taylor
quote:True
The #1 guard in the country in Patterson.
quote:He is playing. You're right about that
3 star Rawlings who is playing.
quote:He should have had better judgement on Golson
Also four star Golson who just happened to be a shite head and left the team.
quote:Morris is good when healthy. So I'll give him that.
He got us four star Morris who was the #9 LT in 2013 but is struggling recovering from a achilles.
quote:We're not getting Little IMO.
We currently have a 4 star tackle committed and most presume the favorite for the #1 LT in the country.
Like I said, I think he's doing good with what he has and shouldn't be fired. But he has to build up depth on the offensive line. We can't just get 2 or 3 guys every year.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 11:52 am to Doresrules
Then next summe send that doughboy to go work with some NFL OL coaches or shadow the best Collegiate OL coaches because something ain't working.
While we are talking coaching....CHF needs to turn the play calling totally to Werner or a legit OC and we need Allen back leading the D on the sideline because the LB's and Secondary are playing shitastically bad!
While we are talking coaching....CHF needs to turn the play calling totally to Werner or a legit OC and we need Allen back leading the D on the sideline because the LB's and Secondary are playing shitastically bad!
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:59 pm to Henry Jones Jr
How many should he recruit? If we are getting 5 or 6 chances are two or 3 of those guys aren't going to be ready to contribute in any way. In most years if you recruit more than two tackles someone will go somewhere else. Chances of getting Allen, Little, and Matthews is slim to none. One guy will say screw that.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:09 pm to Doresrules
After last night, our entire staff needs to take a long, long look in the mirror. The O-line is missing 3 starters. I wasn't expecting a lot from them. The D-line couldn't get penetration, our LBs are consistently out of position and our coverage is incredibly soft. Last year we were nailing players as the ball got to them. This year they catch it and have 5 yards to run.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:51 pm to Quicksilver
I'm so tire of hearing the excuses for Matt Luke. I really think some people here must be family members or friends of his. The only thing he's done is get his nephew a spot and he blocked a punt for us last week. How many of these lineman have really improved with Luke as their coach? Tunsil came in ready to be an sec tackle and Luke got him because kiffin. It's embarassing to watch miss state develo o-lineman that weren't highly recruited and Luke waste away with ours. In 4 years he has yet to develop anyone. Also, conyers has snapped high every single game, can we get that fixed at some point this year?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 6:54 pm to OMReb21
Serious question, did he actually recruit them though? Were they his pulls, because from what I understand, it was Kiffin who reeled in Tunsil, so we would have to see who the primary recruiter for the rest are. Just because he is the O-line coach doesn't necessarily mean he is their primary recruiter or the one who really lands them.
Also, on the other note, from what I've gather talking to people who know about the O line more than I, they are disappointed in the technique of the Oline. I've posted a lot in the past about firing Matt Luke, but this past game he got dealt a TERRIBLE HAND. However, from talking to other people, it doesn't seem like he really teaches these players much.
Also, on the other note, from what I've gather talking to people who know about the O line more than I, they are disappointed in the technique of the Oline. I've posted a lot in the past about firing Matt Luke, but this past game he got dealt a TERRIBLE HAND. However, from talking to other people, it doesn't seem like he really teaches these players much.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 7:17 pm to rebelcommodore
Who was the best returning OL from the Nutt years? Justin Bell and Aaron Morris?
The defensive line meanwhile had CJ Johnson a five star player, Channing Ward a five star player, and Issac Gross a former Under Armour All American. It doesn't take as long to develop depth when you have people already there with talent.
There is no question OL was the weakest position when Freeze got here.
The LBs still suck, yet no one is calling for Wommack head. The defense is not as good as last year yet Luke is still the fall guy. It makes no sense.
The defensive line meanwhile had CJ Johnson a five star player, Channing Ward a five star player, and Issac Gross a former Under Armour All American. It doesn't take as long to develop depth when you have people already there with talent.
There is no question OL was the weakest position when Freeze got here.
The LBs still suck, yet no one is calling for Wommack head. The defense is not as good as last year yet Luke is still the fall guy. It makes no sense.
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