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re: McGriff and Longo
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:28 pm to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:28 pm to DownSouthJukin
https://www.redcuprebellion.com/2016/12/15/13932836/ole-miss-phil-longo-offensive-coordinator-scheme-system-offense-career
That makes me super nervous. So we depend on the WR to read the defense instead of Shea MF Paterson? I would also worry about DBs faking a look and the WRs not realizing it and running a crappy route. I wonder if this is why they have struggled so hard in the playoffs? He's gotten killed every time he's played a decent team in the playoffs.
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Longo simplifies things considerably for his QBs.
In addition to taking over as coordinator, Longo will be expected to replace Werner as the Rebels’ quarterback coach. While passers in Longo’s system are expected to produce big numbers—junior Jeremiah Briscoe piled up 4,602 passing yards and 57 passing touchdowns this season—they aren’t asked to do a lot of mental lifting. The majority of the pre-snap reads are made not by the quarterback, but by the receivers and running backs.
“QBs never ‘read’ defenders,” Longo told Fox Sports in October. “I just want him to execute the play. Our quarterback gets the signal, IDs the coverage and takes the snap. We delegate all the QB’s duties out to everybody else.
"We ask our receivers to run their route based on how the defenders in their area of the field are reacting. For instance, a Hook route’s going to look different vs. Cover 3 than it would vs. Cover 4 or vs. Cover 6.”
Longo claims he has just 26 plays in his offensive playbook, but the individual adjustments made in response to defensive alignments makes it seem like a lot more.
That makes me super nervous. So we depend on the WR to read the defense instead of Shea MF Paterson? I would also worry about DBs faking a look and the WRs not realizing it and running a crappy route. I wonder if this is why they have struggled so hard in the playoffs? He's gotten killed every time he's played a decent team in the playoffs.
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:31 pm to fillmoregandt
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If you want to continue to base your opinion of the guy off one game, then that's fine. Coaches and teams have bad games but that doesn't mean very much in the grand scheme of things.
FWIW his offense averaged less than 7 points a game in the three playoff losses he has.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:31 pm to HottyToddy7
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never get Kelly but probably don't go 5-7 this past year.
Why wouldn't we have gotten Kelly? He was about to go to Indiana? fricking Indiana!
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:44 pm to RebelExpress38
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That makes me super nervous. So we depend on the WR to read the defense instead of Shea MF Paterson? I would also worry about DBs faking a look and the WRs not realizing it and running a crappy route. I wonder if this is why they have struggled so hard in the playoffs? He's gotten killed every time he's played a decent team in the playoffs.
You're forgetting that Hugh Freeze is our coach and it's his offense that we're running.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:45 pm to WithaRebelYell
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Why wouldn't we have gotten Kelly? He was about to go to Indiana? fricking Indiana!
You'd figure Freeze would continue recruiting him at Florida.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:48 pm to pankReb
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You're forgetting that Hugh Freeze is our coach and it's his offense that we're running.
Is that good or bad? I recall (and I wasn't on the sidelines, mind you) that when Werner was said to have been calling the plays, things improved, and when Freeze was said to have been calling the plays (red zone especially), things sucked... bad. And they both sucked in the 2nd half this year.
So... is the fact that Longo will be running Freeze's offense (i.e. masquerading as an OC with Freeze probably running it and/or meddling in it), good or bad?
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:53 pm to DownSouthJukin
It's always been Freeze's offense and will continue to be. Freeze and Werner would work together to come up with a game plan and Werner would call the plays in-game(the last 2-3 seasons).
I don't see that changing. Shea will be making the primary reads. But we actually already have our WR's making reads based off of defensive alignment and positioning. Most of our passing skeletons involve one of our receivers having multiple routes.
I don't see that changing. Shea will be making the primary reads. But we actually already have our WR's making reads based off of defensive alignment and positioning. Most of our passing skeletons involve one of our receivers having multiple routes.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:01 pm to pankReb
I don't know if Freeze would have do y'all not remember what a character risk he was? With the Florida logo behind Freeze he would have found a great quarterback without the character issues easy.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:07 pm to RebelExpress38
Would you please just shut up? I'm so sick of hearing this b.s. Just use google.
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He's gotten killed every time he's played a decent team in the playoffs.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:14 pm to RebelExpress38
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The majority of the pre-snap reads are made not by the quarterback, but by the receivers and running backs.
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That makes me super nervous. So we depend on the WR to read the defense instead of Shea MF Paterson?
I like how you ignored the "majority" part of the sentence that you chose to highlight
You act like he can't tweak his system or play calling to adjust to his players.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:48 pm to fillmoregandt
quote:this. Every coach should be able to adjust his schemes to fit his players (wommack being an exception)
You act like he can't tweak his system or play calling to adjust to his players.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:59 pm to fillmoregandt
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like how you ignored the "majority" part of the sentence that you chose to highlight
Ok I'll just use the direct quote right under it "QBs never ‘read’ defenders,” Longo told Fox Sports in October."
This board got mighty sensitive today.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:06 pm to RebelExpress38
what we're trying to say about that is Longo won't be running the offense exactly like he did at SHS.
new Coordinator hires never run things exactly the same way they did at their old job. They adapt their philosophy to work with the coach's.
new Coordinator hires never run things exactly the same way they did at their old job. They adapt their philosophy to work with the coach's.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:09 pm to RebelExpress38
I'm not getting into a pissing match with you, but if you actually read the article, there's a difference between defenders and defenses. Longo's system calls for the QB to identify the defense/coverage, then the receivers to read the individual defend-ERS in order to get open.
QB reads defense to call play. Wr's read defenders to get open
QB reads defense to call play. Wr's read defenders to get open
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QBs never ‘read’ defenders,” Longo told Fox Sports in October. “I just want him to execute the play. Our quarterback gets the signal, IDs the coverage and takes the snap. We delegate all the QB’s duties out to everybody else.
"We ask our receivers to run their route based on how the defenders in their area of the field are reacting. For instance, a Hook route’s going to look different vs. Cover 3 than it would vs. Cover 4 or vs. Cover 6.”
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:13 pm to fillmoregandt
Then that sounds exactly like how our passing game operates.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:19 pm to pankReb
There are some similarities but I don't think we do it to the extent that Longo does. Kind of like tempo.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:33 pm to fillmoregandt
In the NFL WRs are asked to read defenses as well and adjust/change routes accordingly.
Freeze could have hired McLovin and the offense would be fine. I'm just hoping this guy can make us a better running team. Bring more physicality.
Freeze could have hired McLovin and the offense would be fine. I'm just hoping this guy can make us a better running team. Bring more physicality.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:57 pm to fillmoregandt
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Longo's system calls for the QB to identify the defense/coverage, then the receivers to read the individual defend-ERS in order to get open.
Talking to my dad about this "wr does what he wants to get open" and he reminded me that this is the same thing that Spurrier did with his UF teams back in the 90s.
And like others have said. It not that they just run out there all Willy nilly each play. They run certain routes based on the placements of the defensive players. So it's not that they don't have set routes. It's that they don't walk up to the line of scrimmage with a set route from the huddle on every play.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:08 pm to Doresrules
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Freeze could have hired McLovin and the offense would be fine.
Yeah... because we killed it in the Red Zone
Posted on 12/16/16 at 12:40 am to rebelcommodore
Red zone - let's go back to the Egg bowl.
Down 20-10, Shae throws to Adaboyjo in end zone. Jamal Peters intercepts.
Opening of second half down 27-20. We march to Dog 17. 4th and 1 we can't make the yard.
Zero points on 2 red zone situations. Then the team quit.
I want the new OC to get us a first down with one yard to go. CHF has never been "average" on this play.
Down 20-10, Shae throws to Adaboyjo in end zone. Jamal Peters intercepts.
Opening of second half down 27-20. We march to Dog 17. 4th and 1 we can't make the yard.
Zero points on 2 red zone situations. Then the team quit.
I want the new OC to get us a first down with one yard to go. CHF has never been "average" on this play.
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