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Jacob Peeler hired as WR coach

Posted on 1/10/17 at 5:42 pm
Posted by TrueReb13
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 5:42 pm
Former Cal WR coach hired today by Freeze. He is a great recruiter and from MS. He got his degree from MSU but grew up in a Rebel family and loved the Rebels. From Kosciusko and was primary recruiter for AJ Brown and even got him to visit Cal. Great hire.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6868 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:03 pm to
I know there a lot of Freeze doubters out there, most being egged on by any array of enemies of the Rebels, but those who are looking at all this objectively can't say the man isn't trying to get this program back on sort of a roll. It may seem occasionally like he's green at some things, but I don't think you can find fault in his efforts.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27182 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:07 pm to
In business a company needs rainmakers and workers. You can't have a business without both. The rainmakers bring in the customers and the workers perform the hands-on tasks of servicing the customer.

I think the same applies to coaching. What bothers me is that everyone says how great these new coaches are as recruiters, but not a lot is said about their ability to coach. If all we have are recruiters, who is going to coach them up?

Orgeron was sold as the best recruiter in the world. Where did that lead us?
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6868 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:19 pm to
Well said.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:20 pm to
Relax, Matt Luke is still on staff.
Posted by TrueReb13
Member since Feb 2015
1623 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:35 pm to
He has four he coach in the NFL right now
Posted by TSUNRebel
DeSoto County
Member since May 2014
560 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 7:35 pm to
I like Peeler's back ground, inside receivers coach. I think he will be beneficial to the TE's. We have about 5 guys who have the ability to create miss matches and it would be great to see those guys utilized in the passing game we were able to do with Engram.
Mathis
Cooley
Angel
Knox
Plus Howard, who is 6'5" and 260 lbs, it would be nice to see these big guys utilized in the slot and the h-back as the short option.
I think the other coaches will be fine. The secondary will be much improved, I wouldn't mind seeing Hartsfield and Woods moved to corner and see some of the bigger guys actually play safety. (Anderson, Linton and Street)

Defensive line should move to a bigger WSE and try not not have anyone under 260 lbs on the dl.

Linebackers should be better, because who ever coached them last season, didn't teach them shite. Except how to wait on the blockers.

Offensive line should be a strong point. Plenty of depth and about 8 deep with experience.

QB- looks good, but we need a solid number 2.

RBs- Wilkins returns, hopefully Sweeney gets healthy, Pennaman should be solid and Brazley could be an explosive back with more concentration on run blocking.

I think the overall infusion on new ideas will help the team bounce back from a sub par season. 8-4 is totally doable and gets us back on track in recruiting. As long as the NCAA gets out of Oxford some time soon.

Posted by rebelcommodore
Vienna
Member since Jun 2014
3728 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

rainmakers and workers


Hunters and Gatherers
Posted by rebelcommodore
Vienna
Member since Jun 2014
3728 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

I like Peeler's back ground, inside receivers coach. I think he will be beneficial to the TE's. We have about 5 guys who have the ability to create miss matches and it would be great to see those guys utilized in the passing game we were able to do with Engram.
Mathis
Cooley
Angel
Knox


I really want Cooley to break out
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:15 pm to
Talent goes a long way. These guys strength is recruiting. Getting great players makes the coaching part that much easier. Great coaching could have gotten more out of Tunsil, Treadwell, and Nkemdiche individually. That being said that talent took us from a 6 win irrelevant bowl game to a 4th and 25 from playing in the SECCG.

Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27182 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:44 am to
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He has four he coach in the NFL right now


3 of those players were 5 star HS players and No. 1 at their position coming out of HS and 1 was a 4 star JUCO transfer. They had the talent coming in and probably did not need as much coaching, if any. We can't expect to completely fill our depth chart with 4 and 5 star players, which is what I believe CHF is trying to do. And where have we now ended up since that talent left OM?

Beyond that, Treadwell has commented on his lack of coaching as WR at OM, R. Nkemdiche and Tunsil have had problems transitioning to the NFL and I'm not sure Cooper has even played an NFL down. The primary reason Cooper was able to be drafted (5th round, mind you) was because he was forced to develop/be developed when Tunsil was suspended.

And let's not forget Tunsil's stellar draft night antics that caused the NCAA to hire contractors to start pouring slabs so they can move out of the RV lot and into new, more permanent structures on campus.

The point being is that just because extremely talented players are being drafted doesn't mean that our players are being properly coached and developed at the college level. A better indicator would be some less touted HS players being developed and drafted out of OM, and that is certainly not happening.

(Another good indicator would be 2nd string players being able to fill in quicker and better when 1st stringers are injured or otherwise unable to play... with which we also have greatly struggled after 5 years of CHF recruiting and coaching.)

TL/DR:
Decent Talent+Good Coaching=Sustained success

Less Talent-Any Coaching=OM Rebels 2016
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 6:34 am
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10576 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:02 am to
With the exception of Peveto, they all seem to be very good coaches too.

McGriff: great for us, then NFL, then helped a great AU D. It was telling they fought to keep him, and I refuse to believe that D was all Steele, who i don't think is that good.
Longo: lots of people rave about the guy who was coordinator of the year in FCS.
Tray Scott: terrible UNC D got better the two years he was there and he coached:

quote:

In his first year in Chapel Hill, Scott was part of a defensive staff that engineered the best turnaround in college football. Carolina was the nation’s most improved Power 5 defense, averaging 14.5 points fewer than the previous year, while also showing the most improvement from the previous year in pass defense efficiency. The Tar Heels led the ACC in interceptions, turnovers gained, turnover margin and passes defended en route to a record-setting 11-3 season and a berth in the ACC Championship Game and a No. 15 final ranking in both national polls.

Jacob Peeler: he was only the inside receivers coach but Cal's passing game during his four years speaks for itself. Maybe he can help Harris w/ TE's and seems to fit our school and our O to a T. Also, he went to LA Tech. He only got his masters at MSU.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27182 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:26 am to
This is what primarily bothers me:

As to Longo:

"There are only 26 plays in the Bearkat playbook."

and as to McGriff:

“He kind really doesn’t just give us one style of play, he kind of gives us a lot of techniques and we use that how they fit us best” (i.e. relies on the talent)

I'll post the hyperlink to these 2 stories later. But again-it seems like they both rely on talent rather than coaching.

Don't get me wrong-changes needed to be made and I support CHF as head coach and giving the new coaches a chance, but I still remain skeptical as to their coaching ability at this point.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 9:47 am
Posted by TrueReb13
Member since Feb 2015
1623 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:46 am to
Not sure exact number, but go look at Mike Leach's playbook. I don't think he even has many.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6868 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:55 am to
I'm not of the opinion Tunsil struggled with transitioning to the NFL. He's basically been a starter from Day 1 hasn't he? RN just doesn't yet have it upstairs and Treadwell made one mention about "route trees" one day and it appears it was just called something else during his time at OM.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10576 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:03 am to
Our O didn't have a lot of plays either. Its part of the air raid scheme. And I seriously doubt Longo was able to "rely on talent" at Sam Houston State. Its not like that is a traditional power.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:12 am to
Tunsil was a starter all year and allowed 5 hurries and 1 sack.
Posted by umrebel96
Member since Sep 2016
291 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:49 am to
Freeze makes the big bucks and it's on him to right the ship his way. Clearly, his preference is for (mostly) young, energetic recruiters who are either short on experience or have had questions about their ability to coach.

Freeze will either look really good with these hires or his job will be on the line.
Posted by TSUNRebel
DeSoto County
Member since May 2014
560 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:01 pm to
Well...one thing is certain. Coaching up 3 stars isn't going to beat Bama.

Glad to see someone else was able to beat Bama.

Nobody in the SEC except CHF has beaten them in the last 3 years.

LSU, aTm, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee.

Wait a minute. All those teams have more stars per recruit than Ole Miss.

CHF must know a thing or 2 about winning.

Until Freeze came to Ole Miss, the last time Ole Miss beat a quality Bama team was when Johnny Vaught was coaching.

3rd season at Clemson, Dabo went 6-7. It took him a run of 5 seasons to work his way to the top. He didn't do it with a bunch of polished diamonds in the rough. He recruited talent.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6868 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:17 pm to
And there are almost twice as many people in the state of South Carolina which means it's just Clemson and South Carolina competing in-state anyway for their top players and there have to be way more possibilities than what OM and State are after in-state.
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