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Is the ankle down or not?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:45 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:45 am
Hate to beat a dead horse, but someone pulled this out of their arse today.
To me, this doesn't look like a college rule book.
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carrying the ball (the runner) is downed when any of the following occurs: Any part of the runner other than his hands or feet touches the ground. Ankles and wrists count as downed. This may be as a result of: Contact by an opponent (called down by contact) where the opponent tackles the runner by pushing him, grasping him and pulling him to the ground, sliding into his legs, or touching him in any manner prior to any part of the runner other than his hands or feet touching the ground. Unlike the use of the word tackle in other sports, if the opposing player fails to down the ball carrier, it is merely an attempted tackle.If the ball carrier falls onto another player but he doesn't make contact with the ground, he can still get up and keep playing. A player on the ground is not considered part of the ground. Intentionally downing the ball: intentionally kneeling, verbally declaring "I'm down" (except in college), or similar actions. For example, to protect himself from violent hits by opponents attempting to tackle him, the quarterback may choose to slide to the ground feet-first. This slide is interpreted as intentionally downing the ball, and opponents may then be penalized for hitting him. In amateur football, a runner is downed when any part of his body other than his hands or feet touches the ground at any time (unless he is the holder for a place kick). In professional football, the runner is not down for such accidental contact; he must be down by contact with an opponent as described above.
To me, this doesn't look like a college rule book.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:46 am to TheNorthPlace
Ankle is part of the foot. He wasn't down.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:49 am to TMRebel
I understand that to be true, but someone literally brought this out today. First time I had seen it. Does anyone have the actual college rule?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:14 pm to TheNorthPlace
There is literally zero reason to have this conversation. He wasn't down.
And I understand you are asking a different question but there is no reason to
And I understand you are asking a different question but there is no reason to
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:14 pm to TheNorthPlace
Not again
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:22 pm to GatorReb
Of course he wasn't down. I'll just let the spirit jacktards have it. They will be certain we are getting screwed over by everyone at all times for, well, forever.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:52 pm to TheNorthPlace
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this doesn't look like a college rule book.
It isn't. Here's a link to the official rulebook. I used the find function and searched for "ankle," and there was no mention of it anywhere in the rule book. The relevant thing I found was related to the definition of a dead ball. That occurs when any part of the runner touches the ground other than his hand or foot. There's no reason to think that the ankle is anything other than part of the foot.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:18 pm to dtmb
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There's no reason to think that the ankle is anything other than part of the foot.
After thorough research in a medical book this is the only good reference I can find:
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The toe bone connected to the heel bone,
The heel bone connected to the foot bone,
The foot bone connected to the leg bone,
The leg bone connected to the knee bone,
The knee bone connected to the thigh bone,
The thigh bone connected to the back bone,
The back bone connected to the neck bone,
The neck bone connected to the head bone,
Apparently the ankle bone doesn't even exist.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:25 pm to TheNorthPlace
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:25 pm to dtmb
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There's no reason to think that the ankle is anything other than part of the foot.
My wrist is not part of my hand, and neck is not part of my head.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:48 pm to beHop
Neal spoke about this today.
He spoke to several people and found out By rule, the ankle is not the foot- By rule he was down.
He should have been ruled down. People in our Athletic department said after speaking with the league, they didn't even review that.
Instead of hushing it, it needs to be talked about. If we have a chance at the 4th spot it could benefit us if they feel we were cheated out of that game.
He spoke to several people and found out By rule, the ankle is not the foot- By rule he was down.
He should have been ruled down. People in our Athletic department said after speaking with the league, they didn't even review that.
Instead of hushing it, it needs to be talked about. If we have a chance at the 4th spot it could benefit us if they feel we were cheated out of that game.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:55 pm to beHop
The ankle is not part of the foot, physiologically speaking. Whether or not college football rules consider it part of the foot is a different question.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:59 pm to rebelcommodore
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Whether or not college football rules consider it part of the foot is a different question.
They don't apparently.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:40 pm to beHop
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My wrist is not part of my hand, and neck is not part of my head.
Just so people don't get the wrong idea, I'm not saying that, physiologically, the ankle is part of the foot. I'm saying that the rulebook doesn't distinguish the ankle from the foot, so there's no reason to think someone is down when his ankle touches the ground.
Hypothetically, if someone was running with the ball, and he rolled his ankle (assuming it touched the ground) but recovered and kept running, would he be down at the spot where he rolled his ankle? Nothing in the rulebook says that he would.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:44 pm to DrunkenStuporMan
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Apparently the ankle bone doesn't even exist.
ankle bones
tarsals breh
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:52 pm to cbi8
No dude. The team of doctors that wrote that song determined there's like 8 or 9 bones in the body. Max.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:07 pm to TheNorthPlace
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Ankles and wrists count as downed.
Wrists have been included into the definition of the hand on numerous occasions, except when it is the ball carrying hand. I would tend to assume ankle has the same inlcusion
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:10 pm to TheNorthPlace
Time to let it go. Nothing is going to change.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:27 pm to DrunkenStuporMan
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8 or 9 bones in the body. Max.
I think it's officially 8...9 if you include the funny bone
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:52 pm to cbi8
The funny bone isn't connected to anything.
That's why it's so funny.
That's why it's so funny.
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