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This is why I'm scared of cops these days
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:58 pm
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:03 pm to Pbhog
Simple solution: Don't run from the police
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:06 pm to Rebel Land Shark
I agree but that cop should have more restraint than that
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:06 pm to Pbhog
while it's a tragic story abs the officer should be on trial. The message is clear. Don't run from the cops.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:08 pm to memphisplaya
I don't know if he should be in trail, but he shouldn't be allowed to be a cop anymore forsure. That's scary man
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What does that have to do with this cop accidentally shooting that kid?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:20 pm to Pbhog
At that point, there was no need to shoot him. That was totally uncalled for. He should have been more concerned with the passenger that was thrown from the car.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
I agree that was my thinking. He should have went into life saving mode
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:47 pm to MontyFranklyn
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At that point, there was no need to shoot him. That was totally uncalled for. He should have been more concerned with the passenger that was thrown from the car.
No. At the point the guy was getting out of the car, the officer was correct to be primarily concerned with his own safety. The guy was running from the police at a very high rate of speed, there was every reason in the world to assume he was up to no good.
The proper course of action would be to ensure scene safety (which would mean securing the driver) and then seeing to the ejected passenger.
Having said that, in this case ensuring scene safety most certainly DID NOT necessitate shooting the guy as he came out the window and then failing to tell a soul.
The officer should be charged. He claims an accidental discharge. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case, IMO he's still criminally culpable because he was negligent - but I don't buy the accidental discharge claim. If you look at other examples of accidental discharge situations, there's almost always an immediate and clear "OH SHAIT" reaction. This guy just continued as if nothing happened at all. He knew exactly what he was doing/had done. He got caught up in the moment and fired when the guy came out the window.
But as far as fearing the police? Nope, not at all. This guy's drunk and running. He warrant shooting, but every other single thing that happened to him (including getting into the circumstance that led to him getting shot) is solely and entirely his fault. No one put him there but himself.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:49 pm to Pbhog
That is without doubt murder. I work with Use of Force specialists all the time and they would say that was murder too. You don't draw your gun for something like that.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:51 pm to Pbhog
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I agree that was my thinking. He should have went into life saving mode
He may have know there were multiple people in the car. When someone is fleeing, they are saying that they are not giving themselves up. Not giving yourself up could include killing the cop that is chasing you. He couldn't really go to life-saving mode until he knew that all parties in the vehicle were secure.
That is not a reason to shoot the guy right there, but it is easy to understand why the cop didn't drop everything to run help the guy on the road just yet.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:52 pm to JustGetItRight
He shouldn't have had his gun out in the first place. You pull your gun if there's lethal threat. Poorly trained cops are too inexperienced to transition from different threat levels.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:52 pm to athenslife101
it's always hard to convict a cop. But in no way should the guy be able to retain his job after that.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:57 pm to athenslife101
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He shouldn't have had his gun out in the first place. You pull your gun if there's lethal threat. Poorly trained cops are too inexperienced to transition from different threat levels.
Bull freaking shait.
Every single LEO in America and most likely every single armed LEO anywhere in the world would have been correct in having their weapon out in that situation. He was pursuing a fleeing vehicle with no idea what he was facing inside it. He was 100% right to have his weapon drawn as he approached that vehicle. Where he went wrong was shooting the guy who had both his hand in plain view as he exited the window.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:57 pm to Pbhog
Its a messy issue. You have shitty and corrupt cops that are a menace but then you have fricked up situations with good cops that the public doesn't understand. But this is pretty black and white. He either wasn't trained properly or disregarded his training and a man is dead from that.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:59 pm to athenslife101
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He shouldn't have had his gun out in the first place. You pull your gun if there's lethal threat. Poorly trained cops are too inexperienced to transition from different threat levels.
Do you know how quickly the situation can change? not enough time to pull your gun out. The guy was climbing out of his car and from our angle and probably the cop's, you could not see his other hand for a moment. it could of easily had a gun
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:00 pm to athenslife101
If he was that afraid of the guy why wouldnt he stay in his car and wait for back up?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:00 pm to NYCAuburn
He had his hands up man, quit making excuses for the cop
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:02 pm to Pbhog
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He had his hands up man, quit making excuses for the cop
he did not prior to the shot
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