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The Scofield Bible, Christian Zionism, End Times prophesy

Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:19 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:19 pm
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What is the message of the Christian Zionist? Simply stated it is this Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.

"Never mind what Israel does," say the Christian Zionists. "God wants this to happen." This includes the invasion of Lebanon, which killed or injured an estimated 100,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, most of them civilians; the bombing of sovereign nations such as Iraq; the deliberate, methodical brutalizing of the Palestinians-breaking bones, shooting children, and demolishing homes; and the expulsion of Palestinian Christians and Muslims from a land they have occupied for over 2,000 years.

My premise in Prophecy and Politics is that Christian Zionism is a dangerous and growing segment of Christianity, which was popularized by the 19th-century American Cyrus Scofield when he wrote into a Bible his interpretation of events in history. These events all centered around Israel-past, present, and future. His Scofield Bible is today the most popular of the reference Bibles.

Scofield said that Christ cannot return to earth until certain events occur. The Jews must return to Palestine, gain control of Jerusalem and rebuild a temple, and then we all must engage in the final, great battle called Armageddon. Estimates vary, but most students of Armageddon theology agree that as a result of these relatively recent interpretations of Biblical scripture, 10 to 40 million Americans believe Palestine is God's chosen land for the Jews.


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In his 2008 book, The Rise of Israel: A History of a Revolutionary State , Jonathan R. Adelman describes the crucial support Israel receives from Christian fundamentalists as "totally fortuitous."


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Two years after Scofield’s reported conversion to Christianity in 1879, the Atchison Patriot was less than impressed. Describing the former Atchison resident as the "late lawyer, politician and shyster generally," the article went on to recount a few of Scofield’s "many malicious acts." These included a series of forgeries in St. Louis , for which he was sentenced to six months in jail.

Being a "born again" preacher, however, did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield comments, "The admission of Scofield to the Lotos Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C. I. Scofield."

That someone, Canfield suspects, was associated with one of the club’s committee members, the Wall Street lawyer Samuel Untermeyer. As Canfield intimates, Scofield’s theology was "most helpful in getting Fundamentalist Christians to back the international interest in one of Untermeyer’s pet projects – the Zionist Movement."

Others, however, have been more explicit about the nature of Scofield’s service to the Zionist agenda. In "Unjust War Theory: Christian Zionism and the Road to Jerusalem," Prof. David W. Lutz claims, "Untermeyer used Scofield, a Kansas city lawyer with no formal training in theology, to inject Zionist ideas into American Protestantism. Untermeyer and other wealthy and influential Zionists whom he introduced to Scofield promoted and funded the latter’s career, including travel in Europe ."
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The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism.


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Scofield imitated a chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of whose credibility fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies. His mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism." It is from Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield Reference Bible. It is possible that Scofield's interest in Darbyism was shared by Oxford University Press, for Darby was known to Oxford University. A History of The Plymouth Brethren By William Blair Neatby, M.A.

The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has been published in at least four editions since its introduction in 1908 and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:22 pm to
I was raised in a Southern Baptist family, and I was taught all the Scofield stuff was doctrinal truth. It was quite eye opening to me when I found out that most of that eternal doctrine was actually about 100 years old.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:25 pm to
Protestants can't stand for a priest telling them how to interpret the scriptures, yet most of them take every word of Scofield as if it were written by Jesus himself.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:26 pm to
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Protestants can't stand for a priest telling them how to interpret the scriptures, yet most of them take every word of Scofield as if it were written by Jesus himself.


That was one of the things that got me. I was raised believing that every other denomination (and especially Catholics) were wrong. Then I found out that most of our beliefs were a Century old. So... everyone else was wrong for the previous 18 centuries?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:35 pm to
I mean, Jesus didn't show up for many years after original sin. This argument is meaningless imo.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:40 pm to
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I mean, Jesus didn't show up at all after original sin. This argument is meaningless imo.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:50 pm to
So, is Scofield responsible for Israel reclaiming her homeland after WWII?

Think about it...
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:04 pm to
He certainly played an influential role in the establishment of Israel.

"Homeland" and "re-claim" are not accurate descriptors
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:33 pm to
I was raised Southern Baptist too but I don't remember Scofield or the points about God directing Israel and just accepting everything they do.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:36 pm to
Do you remember this part
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Scofield said that Christ cannot return to earth until certain events occur. The Jews must return to Palestine, gain control of Jerusalem and rebuild a temple, and then we all must engage in the final, great battle called Armageddon.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:40 pm to
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He certainly played an influential role in the establishment of Israel.



I can see that


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Homeland" and "re-claim" are not accurate descriptors



If American Indians were to reclaim their ancient territory, would they have the right or would they be criminal in their actions?

I guess it depends on the point of view.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:43 pm to
I think the homeland is not in the Middle East at all, it's somewhere in the Caucasus. Khazaria.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39967 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:03 pm to
Nope. Can't say I do. The only part I remember was that our views were the only correct one and everyone else is going to hell.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:09 pm to
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I think the homeland is not in the Middle East at all, it's somewhere in the Caucasus. Khazaria.



Actually the homeland is in Missouri...
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:35 pm to
Seriously, the true Holy Land is in Missouri. Look it up.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:37 pm to
It really is amazing how much of the modern Christian culture, especially in the evangelical south, has been shaped by Scofield. Millions of people walk around believing things thinking they are eternal doctrinal truth when in reality the ideas have existed for less than 150 years. One of the best selling book series in history, Left Behind, is based on an event expected to occur by tens of millions but which is entirely based on 19th-century extrabiblical extrapolation by Darby and later Scofield.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:41 pm to
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Being a "born again" preacher, however, did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield comments, "The admission of Scofield to the Lotos Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C. I. Scofield."


Not sure how exclusive the club was, had a family member or two who were members. My understanding was it was more a "get away from the wives and drink heavily" club.
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