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The Confederacy was a con job on whites. And still is.

Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:45 am
Posted by Phat Phil
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:45 am
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I’ve lived 55 years in the South, and I grew up liking the Confederate flag. I haven’t flown one for many decades, but for a reason that might surprise you.

I know the South well. We lived wherever the Marine Corps stationed my father: Georgia, Virginia, the Carolinas. As a child, my favorite uncle wasn’t in the military, but he did pack a .45 caliber Thompson submachine gun in his trunk. He was a leader in the Ku Klux Klan. Despite my role models, as a kid I was an inept racist. I got in trouble once in the first grade for calling a classmate the N-word. But he was Hispanic.


courtesy of Frank Hyman
As I grew up and acquired the strange sensation called empathy (strange for boys anyway), I learned that for black folks the flutter of that flag felt like a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. And for the most prideful flag waivers, clearly that response was the point. I mean, come on. It’s a battle flag.

What the flag symbolizes for blacks is enough reason to take it down. But there’s another reason that white southerners shouldn’t fly it. Or sport it on our state-issued license plates as some do here in North Carolina. The Confederacy – and the slavery that spawned it – was also one big con job on the Southern, white, working class. A con job funded by some of the ante-bellum one-per-centers, that continues today in a similar form.

You don’t have to be an economist to see that forcing blacks – a third of the South’s laborers – to work without pay drove down wages for everyone else. And not just in agriculture. A quarter of enslaved blacks worked in the construction, manufacturing and lumbering trades; cutting wages even for skilled white workers.

Thanks to the profitability of this no-wage/low-wage combination, a majority of American one-per-centers were southerners. Slavery made southern states the richest in the country. The South was richer than any other country except England. But that vast wealth was invisible outside the plantation ballrooms. With low wages and few schools, southern whites suffered a much lower land ownership rate and a far lower literacy rate than northern whites.

My ancestor Canna Hyman and his two sons did own land and fought under that flag. A note from our family history says: “Someone came for them while they were plowing one day. They put their horses up and all three went away to the War and only one son, William, came back.”

Like Canna, most Southerners didn’t own slaves. But they were persuaded to risk their lives and limbs for the right of a few to get rich as Croesus from slavery. For their sacrifices and their votes, they earned two things before and after the Civil War. First, a very skinny slice of the immense Southern pie. And second, the thing that made those slim rations palatable then and now: the shallow satisfaction of knowing that blacks had no slice at all.

How did the plantation owners mislead so many Southern whites?

They managed this con job partly with a propaganda technique that will be familiar to modern Americans, but hasn’t received the coverage it deserves in our sesquicentennial celebrations. Starting in the 1840s wealthy Southerners supported more than 30 regional pro-slavery magazines, many pamphlets, newspapers and novels that falsely touted slave ownership as having benefits that would – in today’s lingo – trickle down to benefit non-slave owning whites and even blacks. The flip side of the coin of this old-is-new trickle-down propaganda is the mistaken notion that any gain by blacks in wages, schools or health care comes at the expense of the white working class.

Today’s version of this con job no longer supports slavery, but still works in the South and thrives in pro trickle-down think tanks, magazines, newspapers, talk radio and TV news shows such as the Cato Foundation, Reason magazine, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. These sources are underwritten by pro trickle-down one-per-centers like the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch.

For example, a map of states that didn’t expand Medicaid – which would actually be a boon mostly to poor whites – resembles a map of the old Confederacy with a few other poor, rural states thrown in. Another indication that this divisive propaganda works on Southern whites came in 2012. Romney and Obama evenly split the white working class in the West, Midwest and Northeast. But in the South we went 2-1 for Romney.

Lowering the flag because of the harm done to blacks is the right thing to do. We also need to lower it because it symbolizes material harm the ideology of the Confederacy did to Southern whites that lasts even to this day.

One can love the South without flying the battle flag. But it won’t help to get rid of an old symbol if we can’t also rid ourselves of the self-destructive beliefs that go with it. Only by shedding those too, will Southern whites finally catch up to the rest of the country in wages, health and education.

Frank Hyman lives in Durham,where he has held two local elected offices. He’s a carpenter and stonemason and policy analyst for Blue Collar Comeback. This essay originally appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch and is reprinted with permission.


Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:18 am to
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Today’s version of this con job no longer supports slavery, but still works in the South and thrives in pro trickle-down think tanks, magazines, newspapers, talk radio and TV news shows such as the Cato Foundation, Reason magazine, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. These sources are underwritten by pro trickle-down one-per-centers like the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch.


I was intrigued by his point until this paragraph in which he went full libtard. Then I stopped reading.

But yes, only wealthy land owning whites has slaves and overall it was bad for working class whites economically.

But he doesn't understand the reason so many fly the confederate flag. It's not a race thing because most of those working class whites today who fly it don't descend from slave owners.

It's more of a southern pride thing and hatred for the uppity holier than thou northerners. And some are proud their ancestors fought against that same attitude. It's more of a rebellious thing for them to cling to than it is a racial hatred thing. Just my observation from those I've talked to about it
Posted by MaroonNation
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:34 am to
He could have just watched "The Free State of Jones" and come to the same conclusion. The only difference was Newt Knight actually lived it and persuaded many poor sharecroppers in Jones County, Mississippi that the war was not worth fighting. All you were doing was protecting the rich white plantation owners.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:23 pm to
Why did you post this on two boards?
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:23 pm to
Agreed. The Democrats have always been The Party of the slave Masters and they are still doing it today through different means. He just forgot to do a shout out to their favorite propaganda newspeak, CNN.
Posted by Robert Goulet
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:29 pm to
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It's more of a southern pride thing and hatred for the uppity holier than thou northerners.


There are much better ways to show pride than by using a flag that stood for the division of a country because of slavery.

I do not think the flag has anything to do with regional pride, either historically or now.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:41 pm to
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Like Canna, most Southerners didn’t own slaves. But they were persuaded to risk their lives and limbs for the right of a few to get rich as Croesus from slavery. For their sacrifices and their votes, they earned two things before and after the Civil War. First, a very skinny slice of the immense Southern pie.


So this is bad history.

If you read the letters that Confederate soldiers wrote during that period, and 80% of the Army was literate, you don't see a lot of hoary defenses of slavery.

There is a lot of talk about freedom though. Southerners were worried about political subjugation at the hands of the north. They even went so far as to call it slavery. That's not very self aware on their part, but it's how they thought.

And you could argue that they were defending their political freedom to preserve slavery, and that's what you see from a number of the secession commissioners, but it's not what soldiers talk about.

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And second, the thing that made those slim rations palatable then and now: the shallow satisfaction of knowing that blacks had no slice at all.


This however is accurate.
Posted by Supravol22
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:49 pm to
Jesus Phil
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:47 pm to
Yes but Republicans are hung like hamsters
Posted by PrivatePublic
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:22 pm to
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Yes but Republicans are hung like hamsters


Maybe, but at least they can figure out their gender from it.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:05 pm to
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I learned that for black folks the flutter of that flag felt like a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. And for the most prideful flag waivers, clearly that response was the point.

Lol no
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:24 pm to
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Maybe, but at least they can figure out their gender from it.
well they better print the fuking shirts then
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:28 pm to
In the civil war, the city of new York had a bigger economy than all of the confederate states combined, times 4.



The union had 22 million free people. The south had about 7 million


The con job is that there was literally no reason for anyone to fight for slavery it benefited no one except rich 1%ears. I loll at the notion that the south was so rich
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted by Calvin Coolidge
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:49 pm to
Growing up I was very close to my grandmother. Her father was in the 34th Alabama during the war. I think that is where I get my appreciation for my southern heritage. Don't own a Confederate flag and never have. Really never thought about it. My grandmother's family didn't own slaves. For several years I was a volunteer at a historical center. I never had anyone inquire about their ancestor's slave holding. They were, however, very interested in their Civil War records. I think a lot of what you see about the flag relates directly to the war. It was a very bad time for people in the South.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:10 pm to
You're mighty talkative today Mr president
Posted by TuckyTiger
Central Ky
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:30 am to
I am not a serious student of the matter, but my great great grandfather who served in the 7th Miss. left several diaries and never once mentioned anything about slaves in his writings. Mentioned several times about fighting for his home and country. He was shot in the leg at Shiloh, taken prisoner, released, lost an eye at Missionary Ridge, and was captured again. Marched bare-footed across the south, barely clad, often cold, wet, and hungry. I have a flag and fly it on occasion. Definitely not for racial reasons. Its just to honor those who gave their all.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 6:10 am
Posted by karralum
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:51 am to
I heard a different take once, that the flag represented treason (south parting ways)...

Those suggesting they wave it as southern pride, will also tell you the civil war was not about slavery
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:06 pm to
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It's more of a southern pride thing and hatred for the uppity holier than thou northerners.


You will get hatred from northerners because they feel most of the South is dumb and that they are superior intellectually.

Southern pride should be displayed in areas like being proud of doing things slow down here...enjoying life instead of living in mega-cities and being in a hurry all of the time.

Besides it's 2017. People need to focus on the future and not the past so much. That is the real issue IMO.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:23 pm to
Deo Vindice
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 6:41 pm to
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You will get hatred from northerners because they feel most of the South is dumb and that they are superior intellectually.

Southern pride should be displayed in areas like being proud of doing things slow down here...enjoying life instead of living in mega-cities and being in a hurry all of the time.



I don't generally like northerners. They move to the south with their miserable attitudes and yes, they like to think they are better than southern people even though they come from absolute shitholes.
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