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The accelerating Universe explained without dark energy.

Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:57 pm
If you can't explain what it is then just do away with it? LINK

The scientific community may or may not give this paper a chance but it is interesting.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:17 pm to
Was actually reading a little on that last night. Should make for some debate.
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:31 pm to
Tldr

Now this is more like it:

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Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:56 pm to
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If you can't explain what it is then just do away with it?


More like "if you can't prove it exists, prove it need not exist."

I believe dark energy and dark matter will be the 21st century equivalent of the ether.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 9:01 pm to
It's good to see debate such as this reaching into the lay community. It prevents terminology such as "dark energy" taking root as something more than it is intended to be.

Dark energy is just a placeholder term meant to designate an unknown for which certain indirect characteristics are known. Debate is expected, the livelier the better.

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Using a computer simulation to model the effect of gravity on the distribution of millions of particles of dark matter, the scientists reconstructed the evolution of the universe, including the early clumping of matter, and the formation of large scale structure.

Unlike conventional simulations with a smoothly expanding universe, taking the structure into account led to a model where different regions of the cosmos expand at different rate. The average expansion rate though is consistent with present observations, which suggest an overall acceleration.


The above quote from the article seems to highlight the point of contention for the new idea; i.e., the cosmological constant designated as dark energy is variable in its effect. I don't find this objectionable at all.

I find it analogous to the Second Law of Thermodynamics which states: The total entropy of an isolated system can only increase over time. This is true only for the overall effect, not for local effects necessarily, at least in the short term.

For example, our sun is undergoing a process that is taking it from a state of order to disorder. As it is becoming disordered it is expelling energy. Counter to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, this energy is creating high order in the biosphere we call earth. Overall, however, the net entropy is far higher than the net order that is created.

Now, taking this example as an analogy to the topic at hand, it is reasonable to expect that the structure that is made of matter and dark matter is influencing dark energy and causing different rates of expansion in different locales of the Universe. However, the net or average expansion rate is probably close to that of a uniform expansion if the structures weren't present.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8174 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:56 am to
I believe the universe is expanding outward in an effort to escape the black hole left behind by Ole Miss' football program.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 11:33 am to
Dark energy is their substitute for religion. The scientists can not prove it exist, but believe in it anyways. They are avoiding saying "we have no fricking clue."
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 11:44 am to
You are misinformed. Regarding dark matter and dark energy, scientists routinely say "we have no fricking clue." There is not a smidgen of direct evidence for either. There is, of course, indirect evidence. The word "dark" will be used until and if direct evidence can be discovered for either/both.

Scientists don't believe anything. To believe is to accept without evidence. Beliefs are for religion and philosophy, not science which is evidence based.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8174 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:24 pm to
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Scientists don't believe anything. To believe is to accept without evidence


This may be what scientists are supposed to do, I do not believe that they all live up to it.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:58 pm to
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This may be what scientists are supposed to do, I do not believe that they all live up to it.


Well, they're people just like the rest of us and are subject to the same foibles of course. However, if their belief systems interfere with their research projects they're going to go off-course very quickly. Science isn't about visions, it's about observations. If something can't be observed, it remains in the realm of philosophy.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Dark energy is their substitute for religion. The scientists can not prove it exist, but believe in it anyways. They are avoiding saying "we have no fricking clue."


That's the misconception that a lot of people have. Scientists haven't theorized something and called it dark energy or dark matter. They have concluded that something should be there, but they have no idea what it is. All they know is a few things that it apparently does. So, having no idea what it is and only a little bit of what it does, they simply designated it dark enery/dark matter to indicate that it is an unknown. Meanwhile, they continue trying to figure out what is out there and, apparently according to what I'm seeing in this thread about the linked paper, even whether anything actually is out there. It's better than when more primitive people attributed everything they didn't understand to gods and didn't bother trying to figure it out.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:58 pm to
Good post.
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