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R&D numbers for the SEC via NSF
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:07 pm
Numbers are in millions, EAST schools in BOLD
Big 3 over 1/2 billion
#16 Texas A&M - College Station = 867
#25 Florida = 740
#31 Vanderbilt = 648 (excellent for small private school)
Big 6
#61 Georgia = 374 (roughly about what Cal Tech does)
#69 Kentucky = 332 (Kansas is still AAU @ 311 million)
#80 Louisiana State = 281 (Nebraska was booted from AAU @ 284 million)
Top 10
#85 Missouri - Columbia = 247 (solid work)
#94 Mississippi State = 226 (congrats State)
#103 South Carolina - Columbia = 209 (Taters are below you at #114)
#111 Tennessee - Knoxville = 174
#130 Auburn = 136
#132 Arkansas - Fayetteville = 134
#147 Ole Miss = 94
#181 Alabama = 58
Big 3 over 1/2 billion
#16 Texas A&M - College Station = 867
#25 Florida = 740
#31 Vanderbilt = 648 (excellent for small private school)
Big 6
#61 Georgia = 374 (roughly about what Cal Tech does)
#69 Kentucky = 332 (Kansas is still AAU @ 311 million)
#80 Louisiana State = 281 (Nebraska was booted from AAU @ 284 million)
Top 10
#85 Missouri - Columbia = 247 (solid work)
#94 Mississippi State = 226 (congrats State)
#103 South Carolina - Columbia = 209 (Taters are below you at #114)
#111 Tennessee - Knoxville = 174
#130 Auburn = 136
#132 Arkansas - Fayetteville = 134
#147 Ole Miss = 94
#181 Alabama = 58
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:10 pm to Cheese Grits
You shite talk other schools about the weirdest things
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:13 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
Research $$$$ are hardly weird to college presidents and Boards of Trustees
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:15 pm to Cheese Grits
How is this relevant to college football?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:15 pm to Cheese Grits
No link, wrong board etc. downvote
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:17 pm to Cheese Grits
Have they released the 2016 figures yet? Those look like FY 2015
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:25 pm to Cheese Grits
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#181 Alabama = 58
This is calculated by the board. UAB spends like half a billion or something, so they don't care about UA's numbers.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:27 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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This is calculated by the board. UAB spends like half a billion or something, so they don't care about UA's numbers.
Only reason UA isn't AAU.
We really should get the medical school back on campus in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:30 pm to GIbson05
Why does it matter? From the state's perspective it seems smart to have schools specialize in certain subjects. I couldn't care less that UA isn't AAU.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:39 pm to Cheese Grits
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#94 Mississippi State = 226 (congrats State)
All we have to show for it is a new ban of golf cars on campus
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:41 pm to craigbiggio
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No link
Linked in post below
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wrong board
It is an SEC board and this is the off season so this would be the correct board and correct time of the year
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downvote
Making folks aware of positive academic data should be encouraged, not discouraged. The 14 schools in the SEC are academic institutions after all.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:51 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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UAB spends like half a billion or something, so they don't care about UA's numbers.
They do care, they just allocate by school
#41 Alabama - Birmingham = 516 million (your 1/2 billion reference)
#153 Alabama - Huntsville = 88 million
#181 Alabama - Tuscaloosa = 58 million
By your logic
1.2 billion = Georgia Tech + Georgia which would make the combined number #4 on the list between University of Washington - Seattle and University of California - San Francisco.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:52 pm to Cheese Grits
This is a bit misleading. Most of these schools have tremendous STEM and medical programs.
Alabama does also... but they are best known at campuses in Birmingham and Huntsville. The Univ of Alabama certainly has research going on at the Tuscaloosa campus... but their largest majors are business, management, marketing, nursing, education. Not much in the way of research dollars spent in these fields compared to STEM and medical. IMHO research dollars are certainly a good thing to have, but it is in no way the final arbiter of how good a school is. UAB, love'em or not, is HUGE in research and are a top 20 university for research dollars. UAH is in the "very high activity" classification by Carnegie, i.e. top 75 in research dollars.
One note... Nebraska left the AAU - in a similar structure to that of Alabama, their medical school was in Omaha (i.e., not on the main campus) and changes in the way research dollars are calculated meant that the main campus in Lincoln "lost" out, in addition to some agricultural research changes. In reality, nothing ever changed, it was all pencil whipping on paper. The AAU has never been STRICTLY about research dollars though new membership has certainly shifted in that direction. Nebraska probably would not have gotten into the Big 10 if not for their AAU membership but it means little otherwise, they are not considered to be a top tier academic university. Syracuse voluntarily left the AAU for similar research dollar issues.
The bottom line is that numbers do not always show the true picture. Other universities in the SEC have their own similar stories. And then, even within THAT, you can factor in the worth of individual degree programs and majors. School is what you make of it. Your personal success depends on YOU most of all, not statistics.
JMHO.
Alabama does also... but they are best known at campuses in Birmingham and Huntsville. The Univ of Alabama certainly has research going on at the Tuscaloosa campus... but their largest majors are business, management, marketing, nursing, education. Not much in the way of research dollars spent in these fields compared to STEM and medical. IMHO research dollars are certainly a good thing to have, but it is in no way the final arbiter of how good a school is. UAB, love'em or not, is HUGE in research and are a top 20 university for research dollars. UAH is in the "very high activity" classification by Carnegie, i.e. top 75 in research dollars.
One note... Nebraska left the AAU - in a similar structure to that of Alabama, their medical school was in Omaha (i.e., not on the main campus) and changes in the way research dollars are calculated meant that the main campus in Lincoln "lost" out, in addition to some agricultural research changes. In reality, nothing ever changed, it was all pencil whipping on paper. The AAU has never been STRICTLY about research dollars though new membership has certainly shifted in that direction. Nebraska probably would not have gotten into the Big 10 if not for their AAU membership but it means little otherwise, they are not considered to be a top tier academic university. Syracuse voluntarily left the AAU for similar research dollar issues.
The bottom line is that numbers do not always show the true picture. Other universities in the SEC have their own similar stories. And then, even within THAT, you can factor in the worth of individual degree programs and majors. School is what you make of it. Your personal success depends on YOU most of all, not statistics.
JMHO.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:57 pm to Boomer00
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Boomer00
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How is this relevant to college football?
Academic research matters to folks who actually make decisions of where a school fits in a conference like presidents and board members, and in state houses for public schools.
#88 Oklahoma = 242 million
If Oklahoma were in the SEC, that would put you in between Missouri and Mississippi State. Iowa State = 306 million and is sitting at #77 and has AAU membership in your current home.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:57 pm to GIbson05
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GIbson05
Only reason UA isn't AAU.
We really should get the medical school back on campus in Tuscaloosa.
I believe that ship has sailed. The plan, IMHO, should be to continue to do what we do well... even better.
Alabama has never been better. Not academically, not athletically, and not in prestige or reputation - at least to the people who educate themselves on such things. This is not a zero-sum game or competition with the other SEC schools - we can all do well. And each SEC school is unique with their own set of advantages and disadvantages compared to each other.
I am a proud Univ of Alabama graduate - BS Applied Physics, 1989.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:01 pm to Cheese Grits
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They do care, they just allocate by school
UA referring to the Tuscaloosa campus only. Everyone in Alabama calls it just UA unless they're a trolling rival fan. They allocate the research money to mostly UAB, so they don't really care where the Tuscaloosa campus ranks.
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1.2 billion = Georgia Tech + Georgia which would make the combined number #4
If you combined the other states, they would probably rise as well. UTK was the only number that surprised me because I don't think the Tennessee system has a campus that spends more. Vanderbilt being a private school that doesn't benefit in state students.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:02 pm to iglass
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One note... Nebraska left the AAU
Syracuse was the one who left. Nebraska was the one who was kicked out
I agree with your point tho and concentration of schools does affect where the money goes especially when a state has more than 1 large state school. Hence my point about Tech and UGA. Tech is the ENG school and UGA is the A&S (laws and such) school.
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Nebraska probably would not have gotten into the Big 10 if not for their AAU membership but it means little otherwise
Interesting as it was several B1G schools that cast the votes to kick Nebraska out of the AAU.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:08 pm to Cheese Grits
Throw in our medical school and we are over $250 million. I realize that doesn't count, and we break it out.
On the other hand, upon reviewing the list, I believe the $94 million for Ole Miss does include their medical school in Jackson.
What a wasteland.
On the other hand, upon reviewing the list, I believe the $94 million for Ole Miss does include their medical school in Jackson.
What a wasteland.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 1:10 pm to Cheese Grits
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#111 Tennessee - Knoxville = 174
UT has increased expenditures, but dropped in rank over the last few years. Of course, this doesn't take into account the joint venture UT-Battelle that operates Oak Ridge National Laboratory with a $1.65 Billion annual budget.
National Laboratories within the Department of Energy Office of Science with University Management Partnerships:
Ames - Iowa State
Argonne - University of Chicago
Brookhaven National Laboratory - Battelle & SUNY
Lawrence Livermore - Battelle & Cal
Oak Ridge - Battelle & Tennessee
Princeton Plasma Physics Lab - Princeton
SLAC National Accellerator - Stanford
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