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Pleading guilty/not guilty by insanity vs. pleading guilty
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:02 pm
Was curious as to the OTBs thoughts on this debate.
Statistically, people who successfully plead guilty/not guilty by insanity often serve a longer sentence than their counterparts that commit and are found guilty* a similar crime (or sometimes even a "lesser" crime).
For example, John Hinckley Jr. is still in St. Elizabeth's Hospital (and rightfully so) for the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and the now deemed murder of John Brady. He's been detained there since 1982 (33 years) and does not show any signs of being released anytime soon either. He was, very famously, found not guilty by reason of insanity.
On the flipside, we have DeShawn Parker who was sentenced to 25 years in prison with possibility for parole in 20 for the drive-by shooting of a young cheerleader who he hit "on accident while trying to kill rival gang members" here in Louisville.
Does it bother you that the criminal justice system looks at one as less dangerous than the other? Or that one should serve less time because he was "sane" at the time of the crime?
ETA: *Clarifying for PP.
Statistically, people who successfully plead guilty/not guilty by insanity often serve a longer sentence than their counterparts that commit and are found guilty* a similar crime (or sometimes even a "lesser" crime).
For example, John Hinckley Jr. is still in St. Elizabeth's Hospital (and rightfully so) for the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and the now deemed murder of John Brady. He's been detained there since 1982 (33 years) and does not show any signs of being released anytime soon either. He was, very famously, found not guilty by reason of insanity.
On the flipside, we have DeShawn Parker who was sentenced to 25 years in prison with possibility for parole in 20 for the drive-by shooting of a young cheerleader who he hit "on accident while trying to kill rival gang members" here in Louisville.
Does it bother you that the criminal justice system looks at one as less dangerous than the other? Or that one should serve less time because he was "sane" at the time of the crime?
ETA: *Clarifying for PP.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 9:23 pm
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
A person who is predictable is less dangerous to society than someone who is not. A person with mental issues such as schizophrenia is very unpredictable and therefor more dangerous to society. I can understand why more mentally stable individuals are more likely to get parole than those who are mentally unstable.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:08 pm to Henry Jones Jr
But why should I not find the person who willingly kills someone, admittedly while "sane", as dangerous as someone with paranoid schizophrenia who is unpredictable?
Frankly, I'm just as terrified of the guy who is willing to kill innocent people in the process of trying to kill others, with no regard for human life, but was a bad enough shot he only hit one person and only earn one murder sentence.
Frankly, I'm just as terrified of the guy who is willing to kill innocent people in the process of trying to kill others, with no regard for human life, but was a bad enough shot he only hit one person and only earn one murder sentence.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
This young man is just trying to miss the death sentence .
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But why should I not find the person who willingly kills someone, admittedly while "sane", as dangerous as someone with paranoid schizophrenia who is unpredictable?
Food for thought.
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Frankly, I'm just as terrified of the guy who is willing to kill innocent people in the process of trying to kill others, with no regard for human life, but was a bad enough shot he only hit one person and only earn one murder sentence.
I am compelled to agree.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Statistically, people who successfully plead guilty/not guilty by insanity often serve a longer sentence than their counterparts that commit a similar crime (or sometimes even a "lesser" crime).
Well no shite, since only those who plead not guilty have a chance of getting no time at all.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:21 pm to PrivatePublic
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Well no shite, since only those who plead not guilty have a chance of getting no time at all.
I'm speaking of those who are found guilty (see the title) vs. those found guilty/not guilty by reason of insanity. If you're found not guilty by reason of insanity you still have to serve time in a psychiatric facility until you are deemed no longer insane.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 9:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
Insanity is unpredictable, society doesn't like unpredictable. We much prefer our criminals to have a predictable pattern even if that pattern is horrifying.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 6:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
Look up the story of Twiggs Lyndon, road manager for the Allman Brothers.
Not Guilty of Murder by Reason of Insanity Due to Amphetamines and Being The Allman Brother's Road Manager
Not Guilty ... by a yankee jury no less....
It's a good read, google it.
Not Guilty of Murder by Reason of Insanity Due to Amphetamines and Being The Allman Brother's Road Manager
Not Guilty ... by a yankee jury no less....
It's a good read, google it.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 7:46 pm to deeprig9
LINK
More in the link regarding insanity plea.
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It was that tetchy moment late at night that every touring club band must endure: begging for their fee.
While the roadie packed the last of the gear, bass player Berry Oakley approached the Buffalo club’s owner, Angelo Aliotta.
Aliotta offered $500 for the two shows that night, April 29, 1970. But the band had $1,000 coming.
Oakley knew this tune by heart. He went to the band’s hotel and informed the tour manager, Twiggs Lyndon Jr., that they were being chiseled.
Lyndon was in no mood.
The up-and-coming Southern rockers had been on the road for five months, crisscrossing the country to promote their debut album: “The Allman Brothers Band.”
They had opened for Chicago at SUNY-Stony Brook on Long Island the previous night, then hightailed 500 miles across the state in their Winnebago to make the Wednesday night gig at Aliotta’s Lounge, on Hertel Ave. in North Buffalo.
They were to continue on to one-nighters in Cleveland and Pennsylvania before heading home to Georgia for a much-needed week off.
Lyndon, though just 27, was a veteran rock ’n’ roll road warrior.
He had stumbled into a job as tour manager for Little Richard, a fellow native of Macon, Ga., when he was 23 and fresh out of the Navy. He went on to manage tours for Percy Sledge (“When a Man Loves a Woman”), then wrangled R&B stars Otis Redding and Sam and Dave for a Stax Records tour of Europe.
When brothers Duane and Gregg Allman put together a band in 1969 for Macon’s Capricorn Records, Lyndon was hired as road manager.
Twiggs Lyndon convinced a judge that the rock 'n roll lifestyle drove him nuts, leading him to fatally stab a Buffalo club owner.
“He was so organized and anal about everything,” Gregg Allman later wrote. “The world was never perfect enough for Twiggs Lyndon.”
No detail was lost on him. For example, he drew up a list of the legal age of sexual consent for each state and made copies for the band, according to Allman Brothers biographer Scott Freeman.
“There wasn’t much Twiggs couldn’t fix,” Freeman wrote.
He was fiercely devoted to his musicians.
“Twiggs didn’t have a short fuse, but if it burned down, look out,” Gregg Allman wrote. That night in Buffalo, “Twiggs was gonna make sure we got our money.”
Lyndon stormed out of the hotel, his brown mane trailing behind and the leather sheath of his 10-inch fishing knife bouncing at his hip.
Allman said, “Twiggs, maybe you shouldn’t take that knife with you.”
Lyndon didn’t listen. He went to the club and confronted Aliotta.
More in the link regarding insanity plea.
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