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re: Orangeburg SC man gets 8 years for shooting officer in surprise raid

Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:17 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:17 pm to
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shite is shady. But I definitely don't agree with no-knock raids. Anyone can yell "POLICE" and break into your home and take advantage of your trust in law enforcement.


I agree with you 100%. No-knock warrants are bullshite when the cops could have simply waited until day time when the man went to the store or something.

Furthermore, they better be knockin' if they come to my home or the home of my Son or others ... I'd be on TV right now with the drones trying to get video of me and the bad cops sending in the armored cars to try to recover the bodies.

The bullshite is outta hand.

Of course the way to avoid all of this is to have a clean record and don't sell drugs or own illegal firearms.

Dick Harpootlian is considered the finest defense attorney in the state. He's handled quite a few high profile cases over the years. The guy must have had means to be able to afford him and Dick must have thought it was a winnable case.
Posted by Rebelgator
Pripyat Bridge
Member since Mar 2010
39543 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:23 pm to
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Furthermore, they better be knockin' if they come to my home or the home of my Son or others ... I'd be on TV right now with the drones trying to get video of me and the bad cops sending in the armored cars to try to recover the bodies.



This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:24 pm
Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
Swagosphere
Member since Jan 2014
9364 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:40 pm to
That's fricked up, I wish there was something that could be done.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10429 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:48 pm to
Too bad that he...nevermind.

Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10429 posts
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:56 pm to
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We don't just hit random houses,


But you do break into peoples homes with no knocks in the middle of the night?

How do you respond if someone breaks into your home while you are sleeping?

911? Or are there different rules for cops?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37425 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:01 am to
Indiana law to protect homeowners

LINK

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The Castle Doctrine law says that if someone has entered or is attempting to enter your home without your consent, you're legally permitted to use a reasonable amount of force to expel the intruder from your residence. If you reasonably believe your life or members of your family are in danger, you can use lethal force.


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The revision to Indiana's law simply states that public servants aren't exempt from such treatment.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 12:03 am
Posted by TupeloReb
Member since Nov 2012
10743 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:01 am to
Well, based off the article you linked, I see no problem here.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118695 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:21 am to
Based on what you posted, they raided his home with no warning of who they were? I would have shot someone too.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95839 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:18 am to
The problem is the raid itself. Dude didn't handle it correctly, but if they bang on the door and immediately announce themselves as police and say they have a warrant, nobody gets shot.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:22 am to
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If Robinson truly believed he was the subject of a home invasion, he should have called 911, Wilson said.


What a fricking joke. If someone is breaking into your house right now, dialing 911 isn't going to get someone there in time to stop them. Maybe if they had more cops ready to respond to 911 calls instead of breaking into the houses of innocent people with no drugs, more people would call 911 when their homes are being invaded instead of shooting first and asking questions later.

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Mr. Robinson didn’t ask who we were,” Wilson said. “He simply launched an assault.”


Kinda like the cops do on a regular basis when raiding houses. And since when do you have to ask a burglar for his ID before defending your home?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:37 am to
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While belonging to a distribution network.


bullshite. The prosecutor admitted there wasn't evidence of any major involvement in drug dealing.

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We don't just hit random houses,


I know. You hit mostly minorities' houses and you don't seem to give a shite whether you kill them or their dogs.

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firing his gun looooooonnnnnnnggggg after a reasonable person would've realized he was shooting a the godamn cops.


How in the hell would you know that? He was asleep after apparently getting high or drunk before he went to bed. Somebody started breaking into his home. That's when he started shooting. If this had been some redneck in Texas shooting a burglar, he wouldn't spend a single day in jail or ever be brought to trial. But a black man shooting at what he thought was a burglar, and had no reason to know was a cop, gets eight years.

The part in the article where it explains that the law that makes it illegal to shoot law enforcement officers does not require that the offender know the victim is a law enforcement officer was also amazing. What a fricking ridiculous law. The whole reason for making it a more serious crime to shoot LEOs is to deter people from shooting LEOs. If the shooter doesn't know the person he's shooting is a LEO, then how is he deterred?
Posted by Dawg in Beaumont
Athens
Member since Jan 2012
4494 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:45 am to
I won't pretend to be an expert on this issue, but when I see RebelGator and Stonehog agreeing with each other I'll typically take the opposite view.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28725 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:52 am to
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If they didn't identify when they no knocked his home he was in the right.


i'm sure the kids was probably a scumbag, but i agree with this. i think that if there's going to be a no knock raid allowance, what the people do during that raid is fair game, until the police identify themselves.


Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37545 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:51 am to
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I won't pretend to be an expert on this issue, but when I see RebelGator and Stonehog agreeing with each other I'll typically take the opposite view.


Ex-XACT-ly.

No-knock warrants are bad ... that's been proven over and over again. And I am very pro LEO, to a fault almost, blindly so.

But no-knock warrants are a bad deal all the way around. There are better, easier ways to accomplish the same mission. That's been proven from WACO to San Antonio.

Man Who Shot at Cops During No-Knock Raid Acquitted on All Charges

ETA:

Toddler Maimed by SWAT Flash Grenade Sparks Georgia Bills on ‘No-Knock’ Warrants



Man Shoots at Intruders, Turns Out it was a No-Knock Raid. Now He Faces the Death Penalty

Police shoot, kill Georgia grandfather during no-knock drug raid - A man is shot dead thinking he was confronting burglars, just 2 nights after his home had been robbed.

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EAST DUBLIN, GA — A drug task force gunned down a grandfather in his home during a botched late-night raid that was based on the word of a self-confessed meth addict and burglar who had robbed the property two nights prior. His grieving widow is disputing the official story regarding the no-knock raid that led to her husband’s untimely death.

* * * * *

The devastating incident occurred the evening of September 24, 2014. David Hooks and his wife of 25 years, Teresa, had settled in for the evening; Mr. Hooks was asleep and his wife was upstairs in her craft room.

At approximately 11:00 p.m., she noticed a vehicle abruptly race down her driveway. She saw men jump out of the vehicle and approach her home, donning black and camouflage clothing, shrouded in hoods.

Mrs. Hooks bolted for the bedroom to alert her sleeping husband. “The burglars are back,” she insisted. Earlier that week, the couple’s home had been burglarized and an SUV stolen from the driveway.

Mr. Hooks, a 59-year-old businessman, sprang from his bed and picked up a firearm, then took a defensive stand to protect his wife and home from the intruders. As he exited his bedroom, the back door of the house was breached, and gun-wielding home invaders charged in.

What happened next was described as “chaos.” The intruders used their weapons to send a hail of gunfire into the residence; a total of 16-18 shots from rifles and .40 caliber handguns.

When the gun smoke cleared, it became evident that the intruders were actually a Drug Task Force and members of the Laurens County Sheriff’s Response Team (SRT). Mr. Hooks was killed without returning fire.

The officers claimed to be looking for methamphetamines. After searching the home forty-four (44) hours, not a single trace of narcotics was retrieved.

The warrant — which was acquired only 1 hour before the raid — had been founded on information provided by the very same burglar who had stolen the Hooks’ Lincoln Aviator SUV two nights prior.
The self-described thief and meth-addict was Rodney Garrett, who alleged that he had obtained drugs from inside the vehicle he had stolen from David and Teresa Hooks.

Laurens County Magistrate Judge Faith Snell was presented with this information and readily signed the warrant, granting the sheriff’s department the permission it needed to launch a mid-night assault on the unsuspecting couple.

Mrs. Hooks points out some damning inconsistencies in the official version of events versus what she says actually happened. She insists that the police did NOT use emergency lights or sirens, and the police did NOT knock or announce before breaking down their door. The couple had every reason to believe that they were being robbed — again.

The SRT team, on the other hand, claimed that after loudly knocking on the door and repeatedly announcing, “sheriff’s department, search warrant,” Mr. Hooks came to the door carrying a shotgun and pointed it at the officers, who had to shoot in self-defense.

Drawing further questions in the official story was the fact that Mr. Hooks was not shot at the back door — he was shot through an interior wall. According to a statement released on behalf of the Hooks family, the shooters had no way of “knowing who or what was on the other side of the wall.”

Representing Mrs. Hooks, Attorney Mitch Shook said that the “true facts of this tragedy are in stark contrast” to the official narrative. “There’s a lot more to it than law enforcement has reported,” he said.

The attorney questioned why a no-knock raid was performed on the couple; why so late at night. He pointed out that the Mr. Hooks ran two successful businesses and was far from fitting the profile of a meth user.

“There is no question the officers were aware the home had been burglarized only two nights earlier,” read the Hooks family’s official statement.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation intends to review the case.




This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted by bayou2003
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Member since Oct 2003
17646 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:55 pm to
Robinson had no reason to shoot at the agents, who were wearing reflective vests marked police and yelling “Police!” when he dashed naked out the back door of his house shooting a .45-caliber handgun, Wilson said.


Case closed!!
Posted by bayou2003
Mah-zur-ree (417)
Member since Oct 2003
17646 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:59 pm to
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The cop should just thank Allah he survived. The victim here, the shooter should never have faced charges. Punk arse fricking cops.


WTF???Crimson and others sticking up for a black guy??? Are you guys ok, I was hoping to see racist comments. Sad that people are blaming the cops in this one.
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
Member since Feb 2010
5857 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:39 pm to
I know I may come off as a racist prick but I am not. I am and have lived in the hoods that are high crime because of my income. Maybe African-American people are different in other states but I stand by the issues I raised in the other post and not because I hate negros.

I am leaving that thread to just die. It was bad timing to bring it up and even though I understand the sensitivity involved with a racial issue, we should be able to discuss it peacefully. Unfortunately, here we can't do that. Maybe next time.
Posted by NCrawler
Sherwood
Member since Nov 2010
2152 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:48 pm to
frick all parts of the Federal Government and most especially Federal Law Enforcement. A useless waste of taxpayer money and the departments are out of control.

I fully support LOCAL law enforcement however.
Posted by Tropic Lightning
South Florida
Member since Nov 2006
923 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:54 pm to
So sayeth the cops.

If you want to do commando style raids join the military.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95839 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:58 pm to
So I guess if I go and pick up a police vest off amazon or something I can break in to your house?

Nevermind it was dark. Nevermind the fact he didn't see any of them when he fired. As soon as he realized they were police, he surrendered.
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