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Kentucky doctor drug off overbooked plane by force in Chicago : 5th UPDATE

Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:23 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54568 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:23 pm
LINK

What is wrong with people today

You buy a ticket home then they beat you up and drag you off the plane. I thought this was just supposed to happen in communist countries.


UPDATED INFO I
Looks like it was an internist from E-town - so pending confirmation, he was indeed a doctor. Also interesting was folks were supposed to be random but those asked to leave had booked the lowest fares. Also, turns out it was not even the airlines own crew but a crew from another airline flying out of SDF.


UPDATED INFO II
According to FORTUNE magazine United stock dropped 1.4 Billion in pre market trading. Warren Buffet via Berkshire Hathaway owns about 9% of the company which represented a 90 million dollar drop.

UPDATED INFO III
Tho from the Louisville area, it appears Dao did not call the Hebrew Hammer and instead appears to have put Chicago PI lawyer Thomas Demetrio on retainer.

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Demetrio's practice centers on medical negligence, product liability, airplane crash and commercial litigation on behalf of plaintiffs and he has negotiated more than $1 billion in settlements, according to the firm's website.



UPDATED INFO IV
Looks like all the passengers on the flight will get that trip free. LINK

Also looks like 2 more law enforcement folks have been suspended.


UPDATED INFO V
Interview with United CEO Oscar Munoz LINK

Daughter Crystal Pepper responds LINK
(turns out 4 of his 5 kids are doctors)

Turns out it was not the first time. This one was a first class passenger who got the same threat for not giving a seat to a more important first class passenger. LINK
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 8:58 am
Posted by Hogwarts
Arkansas, USA
Member since Sep 2015
18034 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:31 pm to
This is old news.

United is conducting a "detailed" investigation.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54568 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:33 pm to
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This is old news.


It was just posted today. Did not see a thread about it.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:52 pm to
Reason number tree fiddy why I will only fly Southwest.
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
17129 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:03 pm to
United doing its best "We don't want to have paying passengers" PR lately.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:53 pm to
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This is old news.


It happened yesterday. LINK
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118707 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:24 pm to
So, what am I missing here? They dragged a passenger off a flight to get a flight crew on the plane, right?

Why not drive the flight crew from Chicago to Louisville, what would that take 6 hours? Geez, guy gonna get paid a lot, and he should.

Absolutely stupid of the airline.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54568 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:14 pm to
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Why not drive the flight crew from Chicago to Louisville




Old guys think alike, that was my first thought!

It is about 300 miles by car (slightly farther than LEX to NASH) and airports have rental cars in airport. You are looking at 4.5 hour trip. Pay some low end employee to rent a car and drive both ways. Less than 100 bucks for car and another 100 bucks for driver.

Bill from asian doctors lawyers is going to be way more than 200 bucks and the bad PR alone will cost millions.




As secondary note, UPS has their major hub in Louisville and they fly jump seat guys all the time for the airlines. Pretty sure they could have put all 4 service people on UPS plane that night.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21342 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:06 am to
All you United had to do was keep raising the incentive for someone to debark. Eventually someone would take it. Certainly better than the cost of the bad press on business and the cost of the settlement.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8167 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:07 am to
If you asked someone to leave your property and place of business what would you do? You would call the police and if the person didn't comply they would drag their arse off. I have never understood why people seem to think planes are public property.

We can question the wisdom of overbooking, though airlines struggle with survival and all of the crybaby masses aren't interested in saving them when they go out of business. People get bumped all the time and this individual just though he was more important than everyone else.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60083 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

If you asked someone to leave your property and place of business what would you do? You would call the police and if the person didn't comply they would drag their arse off. I have never understood why people seem to think planes are public property.


Is the person paying me money to be on my property?

Is customer service in any way related to how many people pay me to be on my property?
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8167 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:36 am to
Look at your ticket. They reserve the right to do this just like you can ask a paying customer to leave. United made a bad customer service decision. The customer was a douche bag.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60083 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:40 am to
I understand I agree to that. It's not like I have a say in overbooking policies. Handling it on the plane was an egregious mistake, and doubling down in public defending their actions is probably worse. There are 3 major airlines in the US and another one that's fairly close in profile, only one continues to get pounded by PR situations like this. United has been poorly run since the merger and they deserve everything they get for their decisions.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:44 am to
quote:

If you asked someone to leave your property and place of business what would you do? You would call the police and if the person didn't comply they would drag their arse off. I have never understood why people seem to think planes are public property.

We can question the wisdom of overbooking, though airlines struggle with survival and all of the crybaby masses aren't interested in saving them when they go out of business. People get bumped all the time and this individual just though he was more important than everyone else.


This is the dumbest bullshite I've ever read. The customer entered into a contract to have a seat on the plane in return for paying money to the airline. The airline, in efforts to optimize their flights, overbooked the flight. While this is a commonplace procedure, these frickers CHOSE to use the procedure on a flight that they were using to transport THEIR OWN PEOPLE. ANY self made person knows the customer ALWAYS goes first because they are the people putting food on your table and a roof over your head. Furthermore, any time I have ever been on a flight that was over booked they took care of this shite before people got on the plane. They went about every step of this process in the dumbest way possible and I hope that dude takes them to the matt.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:38 am to
quote:

these frickers CHOSE to use the procedure on a flight that they were using to transport THEIR OWN PEOPLE.


Actually: LINK

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United was trying to make room for four employees of a partner airline, meaning four people had to get off the flight to Louisville.


Absolutely unbelievable. United.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:00 am to
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overbooked the flight.


This keeps getting said, but it's really not what happened.

No seats were being taken to give to other customers. None were turned away because others had bought tickets.

Horrible PR move. But I agree with the above post. "you ain't telling me what to do" struck again and the consequences ensued. People should understand what the contracts they enter say. Private companies aren't public institutions. You can be denied service under certain situations and this was one of them.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54568 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:36 am to
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No seats were being taken to give to other customers.


They removed passengers to allow another companies flight crew to take the seats. It has been suggested, but not yet fully released to the public, that the 4 people removed from the plane had the lowest ticket prices. It appears not as random as the company suggests, and if this comes to court, and proven correct, you can expect enough consumer outrage to surface that a court or congressional bill will make denial of services illegal in the future. If nobody from first class or nobody with high ticket cost from the remaining classes were asked to leave this could be a huge issue.

The airline could have hired a limo or a puddle jumper to fly / drive this crew to Louisville, and while costly, could have resolved this without incident. Keep in mind the plane was delayed 2 to 4 hours but taking this route and driving from CHI to LOU is only about a 4.5 hour drive. Flying the crew on some CHI prop rental would take about an hour because they do not clear through the same way public passenger must via the TSA.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:49 am to
I will allow the fact that airlines do give themselves get out of jail free cards in the contract. They can do what they want, when they want and don't have to tell you at all. That is true.

Second point, the article said that these were 4 people from a partner airline. I take that as meaning that it is another airline under the same corporate umbrella as United, otherwise why would you do this for people with no financial or economic ties to you?

The problem that the airline had was they needed to get 4 ppl form Chi to Louisville in time for a Monday flight. The airlines function in its simplest form is to get people from point a to b in an efficient manner. They know that these people have to get to Louisville. They know they have to get there from another location that is probably not initially chicago. There had to be contingency plans in place in case something like this happened. All of that aside, passengers don't just materialize at the gate, you scan your boarding pass and alert the airline you are there. There was a point in time in which the airline knew that all of the seats were accounted for including people who were making connecting flights into Chicago.

Whats interesting to think about is knowing that all the seats are taken and you are going to have to convince someone to give there seat up, one flight is going to be delayed regardless. What if they delayed one of the connecting flights long enough that people just missed the flight to Louisville? Happens all the time, it is a risk that everyone who travels that way understands and is willing to take, no one would have been the wiser, and it avoids all this bullshite.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20436 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:52 am to

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and if this comes to court, and proven correct, you can expect enough consumer outrage to surface that a court or congressional bill will make denial of services illegal in the future.


No, they wont. Almost the entire profit of airlines is in those few seats. Congress isn't going to touch that.

quote:

If nobody from first class or nobody with high ticket cost from the remaining classes were asked to leave this could be a huge issue.


Not really, no.

quote:

taking this route and driving from CHI to LOU is only about a 4.5 hour drive


From gate to gate, through rentals and security? No. Try six to seven. And all of that counts toward duty time, meaning the crew would not be available for the flight where they were must-haves.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:07 am to
The memes are already happening.

Meet the new Head of Customer Service!








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