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re: I have a couple questions about science.....
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:44 pm to LukeSidewalker
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:44 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Most anti-God people use evolution as a way to discredit Gods existence. Making it, pretty much,, 88% anti God.
I don't see how they do that, seeing as how believers in God say that He created everything. That means He created evolution as well as the nonbelievers. Evolution is just a process wherein one species becomes two or more depending upon the environmental pressures that are applied to it. Therefore, it's hardly a tool that can be used to discredit a belief.
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What will humans evolve into next?!?!? I can't wait to find out. I'll be dead I'm sure, but one day, we will have 8 legs and 2 peckers.
It's great that you have a sense of humor about things. What will humans evolve into next? Well, nothing. We are no longer evolving. The process has stopped for us because we've eliminated every pressure that could shape us into something different.
"Survival of the fittest" no longer applies. Defective babies no longer die naturally. Mentally retarded children grow into adults and produce offspring. In a sense, nothing eliminates the weaker members of our species.
Even if a defective baby is born with 8 legs and 2 peckers, it stands a good chance of maturing and producing children of its own. Evolution has definitely stopped for humans.
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I mean people have been digging for centuries, using the best technology science has to offer and they can't find any fossil evidence suggesting how we got from baby frog shite, to a human.
Well, that's just not true. Researchers of anthropology and paleoanthropology have outlined very well the path we've taken from a single cell organism to humans. It might take many more decades to fill in all of the details, but a good picture of evolution for us is available.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:59 pm
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:45 pm to LukeSidewalker
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No. The reason I'm on Gods side is because he has saved me numerous times in situations that I should have not survived. God spoke to me and I listened and I'm hear because of it.
I wasn't implying you were one of these people. I am saying in general there are a lot of "Christians" who dogmatically attack anything to do with science, and who quote the Bible out of context in order to support their religious opinions.
I am a Christian. I believe in science too. In any way they seem to contradict, I enjoy trying to figure out the truth of why they actually don't.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:02 pm to OMLandshark
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So in your opinion, God is just being an a-hole trying to intentionally confuse humanity as a whole by laying out objective facts that don't really exist. In another words, this world is a mere forgery and a cruel joke to all of us.
Why would God creating man, or the universe, in an "already grown up state" be confusing, a forgery, or some kind of cruel joke? If you were God and could do anything you wanted, why would you create a sperm and an egg on the ground and wait for them to age normally to the point of an adult person? You would zap them into existence already adult. That is all He did with the whole universe as well I believe.
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Yeah, but astronomical odds happen all the time. Like your very existence is like one in near infinite. Think of all the sperm and egg cells that have been wasted in order to create you and generations of your ancestors, and that a mere slight shift by simply a microsecond would create a totally different person. Someone merely bumping into your father wrong that day is all it would take for you not to exist. Here's the answer to your astronomical problem: Murphy's Law.
The laws of thermodynamics prohibit systems from becoming more complex randomly, without external help. While I have a lot of respect for Murphy (personal experience), it isn't really science to quote that.
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And that happens hundreds of trillions of times over billions of years where it beats the odds eventually. As I said, Murphy's Law.
Trillions and billions are small numbers. The odds of DNA happening randomly in optimal conditions (which is far from actual conditions) is somewhere between 10 to the 50th and 10 to 100th power to 1. The odds of enough DNA of the same photosynthetic organism along with all the other stuff required to even have the necessary ingredients for one living cell to randomly occur in the same place in the universe, within a 6 minute window are incalculable. It really can't happen by accident.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:06 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Seriously though, scientist have tried for sooooooo long to explain how we got here. And evolution is the best thing they can come up with? That should tell you all you need to know.
Again, evolution is just the biological process of speciation. It's how new species originate. A study of animals on the Galapagos Islands is a great way to understand how the process of evolution works.
Your view of evolution seems to be one that describes you it as a competitor for religious beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth. Evolution is just one of the processes of nature.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:22 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Why would God creating man, or the universe, in an "already grown up state" be confusing, a forgery, or some kind of cruel joke? If you were God and could do anything you wanted, why would you create a sperm and an egg on the ground and wait for them to age normally to the point of an adult person? You would zap them into existence already adult. That is all He did with the whole universe as well I believe.
But God directly explained to Adam and Eve that they were created by him and gave them no contradictory information. With all the contradictory information that we are now aware that they weren't, then it's only to fool us and show us that this world is a forgery. If he isn't trying to throw us off the scent, why would he create a world full of contradictions, like for instance looking up at the night sky can instantly disprove that the world is more than 6,000 years old.
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The laws of thermodynamics prohibit systems from becoming more complex randomly, without external help. While I have a lot of respect for Murphy (personal experience), it isn't really science to quote that.
Yeah, I'm sure it sounded more convincing coming out of your Baptist preacher's mouth. I'll never forget hearing one Baptist minister tell me the chances that Jesus isn't the Lord and Savior is finding a quarter in the middle of the Australian desert blindfolded and not being told where that specific quarter is and it being anywhere in the world.
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Trillions and billions are small numbers. The odds of DNA happening randomly in optimal conditions (which is far from actual conditions) is somewhere between 10 to the 50th and 10 to 100th power to 1. The odds of enough DNA of the same photosynthetic organism along with all the other stuff required to even have the necessary ingredients for one living cell to randomly occur in the same place in the universe, within a 6 minute window are incalculable. It really can't happen by accident.
Even if you're right, that's still plenty of times and opportunities for it to occur. I don't think you grasp how many things go on in the universe at any given time. And you're not right because you have no idea what you're talking about and are regurgitating something a snake oil salesman told you. Seriously call Sam Harris to debate the con man who told you all of this. The chances of you even existing are roughly one in infinite, so something that could produce itself trillions of times over I don't want to hear about being impossible even if it's incredibly unlikely that it could happen in a single instance.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:40 pm to Kentucker
I honestly think he's trolling...
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:38 pm to olddawg26
I know. But that's okay. It's a good discussion.
But that's okay. It's a good discussion. 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:49 pm to wt9
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I could understand
I think of God as a cross between George Burns and Morgan Freeman
I think 1 was jewish and 1 was black
Jesus was a black jew, like Sammy Davis Jr.
It all makes sense if you look at it in proper context.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:06 pm to OMLandshark
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like for instance looking up at the night sky can instantly disprove that the world is more than 6,000 years old.
I totally agree that by scientific test, you can measure distances that light has traveled totaling billions of years. I believe, as I stated, that God created the universe in a "grown up state." I also certainly acknowledge, that I could be wrong, and the universe has physically been around for billions of years. The Bible can be interpreted that way. The words translated "six days" in the creation story can also mean something like "era" which allows for a long creation model.
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Yeah, I'm sure it sounded more convincing coming out of your Baptist preacher's mouth. I'll never forget hearing one Baptist minister tell me the chances that Jesus isn't the Lord and Savior is finding a quarter in the middle of the Australian desert blindfolded and not being told where that specific quarter is and it being anywhere in the world.
I very rarely go to church anymore. Most preachers are either modern day pharisees, or they repeat sermons they were taught to preach without doing any research of their own to determine what anything in the Bible actually means. There are some good ones out there though.
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Even if you're right, that's still plenty of times and opportunities for it to occur.
Those numbers are inclusive of the billions of years the universe has been here, if I am wrong about it being created in "adult" state, and includes estimates of total available planets out there. I didn't get those numbers from a Baptist preacher, or even a Christian scientist. I got them from regular scientists. I like science. I do my own research, reading whatever I can find, and trying to reason it all out best I can.
One thing I decided was that blindly listening to others, and taking their word for the truth of a thing, was foolish. Too many with agendas or that don't know what they are talking about. I like having good discussions with others, whether we share the same point of view on a matter or not. We can all learn and grow from each other.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:32 pm to LukeSidewalker
The Earth is proof of God's existence only to those who don't understand the Earth. Moreover, even if there were a natural phenomena that demonstrably and intrinsically indicated the existence of a higher power it would say nothing about the truth of a specific religion or the existence of a specific god.
Arguing that the Earth or Universe in and of themselves are proof of the Christian God is nonsensical.
Arguing that the Earth or Universe in and of themselves are proof of the Christian God is nonsensical.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:38 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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The laws of thermodynamics prohibit systems from becoming more complex randomly
The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that total entropy will only increase over time in a closed system. The Earth is not a closed system as both energy and matter come and go. The Earth has a constant infusion of external energy from the sun for instance.
The entropy of the universe as a whole is always increasing, because the universe taken as a whole is a closed system (as far as we know).
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:06 pm to airfernando
quote:Those aren't mutually exclusive.
As is faith in God and the big bang theory.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:07 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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I totally agree that by scientific test, you can measure distances that light has traveled totaling billions of years. I believe, as I stated, that God created the universe in a "grown up state." I also certainly acknowledge, that I could be wrong, and the universe has physically been around for billions of years. The Bible can be interpreted that way. The words translated "six days" in the creation story can also mean something like "era" which allows for a long creation model.
Then you believe that God is a fricked up individual. It's fricking ridiculous to believe that God put that in front of us as a generation that others didn't face.
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I very rarely go to church anymore. Most preachers are either modern day pharisees, or they repeat sermons they were taught to preach without doing any research of their own to determine what anything in the Bible actually means. There are some good ones out there though.
But you are Baptist right?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:30 am to OMLandshark
quote:You might say that from your perspective bc you don't understand God. God has made it clear. He is a jealous God. He is a selfish God. He does not wish to share any of his glory or lose any of his glory. He has his reasons.
Then you believe that God is a fricked up individual
People are better off accepting that and not trying to understand God. You can't. He is infinitely more complicated than anything a human can comprehend.
Every single time one of you nonbelievers talk about evolution or the big bang or any of that science crap, God is losing glory. He created everything, and he wants credit and glory for that creation.
It is a direct contradiction of God to say the earth or the universe has been around for millions or billions of years. God has clearly revealed that the Earth and universe are fairly young. To say otherwise is to call God a liar. God does not like being called a liar.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:18 am to airfernando
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He is a jealous God.
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He is a selfish God.
Sounds like God is a woman, not a man.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:58 am to Kentucker
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What will humans evolve into next? Well, nothing. We are no longer evolving. The process has stopped for us because we've eliminated every pressure that could shape us into something different.
So evolution is over with? lol makes sense.
What about islands where people still live like animals? Are those people gonna keep evolving? Are they gonna zoom past us?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 6:28 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:00 am to Kentucker
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Well, that's just not true. Researchers of anthropology and paleoanthropology have outlined very well the path we've taken from a single cell organism to humans. It might take many more decades to fill in all of the details, but a good picture of evolution for us is available.
So we got a outline, but we need to be patient because in a few years we will have proof!!!
Actual proof people!! Trust us, we know shite nobody else does lol
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:13 am to airfernando
quote:God sounds like a dick.
He is a jealous God. He is a selfish God. He does not wish to share any of his glory or lose any of his glory. He has his reasons.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:31 am to Kentucker
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Well, nothing. We are no longer evolving.
This is completely untrue btw
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:42 am to olddawg26
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This is completely untrue btw
So we are continuously evolving into predator aliens?
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