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re: How do we feel about this Bill Maher business?

Posted on 6/19/17 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 1:24 pm to
Are conservatives more racially understanding than liberals?
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:43 pm to
He used to have a show call politically incorrect. He was fired fir saying muslims terrorist may be evil but were not cowards. Huffinton and Franken were regulars and was best political show until the daily show

He is a liberal dope smoking agnostic but I watch he show weekly because:

He lets both sides speak truth not talking points.

He one of few on either side that actually understands Muslim extermist and that all religions are not equal.

He has always been adamantly against politically correctness.

He has great panels and occasionally an actual real discussion about policy or something that matters breaks out.

It is funny and if you understand what is going on in this country you either have to cry, laugh it off or grab your weapon of choice and march to D.C. to burn it the ground and kill them all like George W Bush Sr said years
Ago ( google it)

His show Vice is very good too.

However, this week today with John Oliver is the best political show on TV right now and it's not close.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 6:32 pm to
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Are conservatives more racially understanding than liberals?


Neither side of the aisle has a monopoly on racism.

The left is habitually more ruthless when it comes to minorities who don't toe the party line, however.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 7:43 pm to
And yet 95% of blacks vote democrat.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:29 pm to
Bolstering my point. That's in no way a good thing and you would not believe the level of vitriol a black conservative gets from most other black people.

Like, the level of racist invective SJWs fantasize all conservatives as having towards minorities pales in comparison
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:33 pm to
More black people would vote conservative if the GOP would stop holding them in contempt, rather than only courting during election season like the dems do.

Black people are more conservative than most people realize...even they themselves. Sit down and talk to some, especially the college educated. You'd be surprised.

Black people are voting for what's perceived as the lesser of two evils. If they found a "home," they'd vote for that side for life.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:46 pm to
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He one of few on either side that actually understands... that all religions are not equal.



Since all religions are based off fake gods, then what makes one better than the other? The ability to evolve away from your original doctrine and be more secular? Okay.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:20 pm to
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More black people would vote conservative if the GOP would stop holding them in contempt



The GOP isn't doing this at all. The groupthink among the demographic is the driver.

Honestly, it almost doesn't matter what Ds or Rs say during/between election cycles at this point. Both can really only pay lip service.

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Black people are more conservative than most people realize...even they themselves. Sit down and talk to some, especially the college educated. You'd be surprised.


This has long been a point of mine. Which goes back to the groupthink overriding so much of what would make sense otherwise.

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Black people are voting for what's perceived as the lesser of two evils. If they found a "home," they'd vote for that side for life.


This is another problem. I'd feel uncomfortable even as a conservative myself if the pendulum swung the other way and 95% of black people voted GOP. The groupthink has to stop, especially as black people come from increasingly eclectic backgrounds.

When a demographic can be counted upon to vote almost 100% one way, that demographic has effectively abdicated their voting power.
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:14 pm to
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The GOP isn't doing this at all. The groupthink among the demographic is the driver.


Its hard to fight against groupthink when a majority of policy and rhetoric focuses on hammering the worst-off rather than uplifting those who want better for themselves and the whole. This has gotten better recently, but there is still work to do. One example is Nikki Haley ordering the Confederate flag to be removed from public grounds after the Charlestown shootings, but she was hammered by her own base. Work to do.

Rand Paul has seen the light. President GWB did as well, despite the issues from the Iraq War. Colin Powell is a true conservative patriot who never felt he had to disown and hammer black people to "fit in" (i.e. Sheriff Clarke).

Many black people are pro 2nd amendment, but feel ostracized by the NRA because of the recent silence on police shootings, especially the Philando Castille killing. So now the NAAGA is gaining support. There shouldn't be a need for the NAAGA. The NRA needs to realize they have many loyal black members who are pro 2A, and believe in responsible, law abiding gun ownership.

I remember how patriotic this entire country felt after 9/11. I wish we could feel that way without it being a response to a tragedy.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:13 pm to
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Its hard to fight against groupthink when a majority of policy and rhetoric focuses on hammering the worst-off


I'm afraid I must disagree with that premise. If anything, the GOP has been an overwhelming advocate for incentivizing the worst off to better their station. This doesn't go over well with the left, who predicate their social policy and rhetoric upon convincing the worst off to increasingly lean on the government, not themselves. The democrats have habitually preyed on the worst off, and fend off any overtures from the right as racism of some sort.

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One example is Nikki Haley ordering the Confederate flag to be removed from public grounds after the Charlestown shootings, but she was hammered by her own base. Work to do. 


Step in the right direction. I concur.

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Colin Powell is a true conservative patriot who never felt he had to disown and hammer black people to "fit in" (i.e. Sheriff Clarke). 


Sheriff Clarke is the epitome of a patriot. He doesn't feel the need to sugarcoat his commentary regarding the problems people face just because their melanin content is similar to his. If more black men....more black FATHERS, specifically, comported themselves like Clarke, it would ameliorate so many problems that the government has been trying in vain for years to solve with ubiquitous programs.

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Many black people are pro 2nd amendment, but feel ostracized by the NRA because of the recent silence on police shootings, especially the Philando Castille killing. So now the NAAGA is gaining support. There shouldn't be a need for the NAAGA. The NRA needs to realize they have many loyal black members who are pro 2A, and believe in responsible, law abiding gun ownership. 


Both of my parents are longtime NRA members. I will be as well within a year or two. I believe the NRA doesn't bear a responsibility to have commentary on every single national story when it comes to gun violence or police shooting. The overwhelming majority of the time, the civilian in question wasn't even an NRA member/legal gun owner, or, as was the case in the PC shooting, there was fault on both sides of the incident. Fault that the NRA and any CHL class worth their salt drill into you repeatedly how to avoid. Ad nauseum even. I think when a gun incident occurs, some folks try to use the NRA as a scapegoat, which is highly disingenuous.

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I remember how patriotic this entire country felt after 9/11. I wish we could feel that way without it being a response to a tragedy.


Politics thrives in and actively cultivates animosity. The biggest change in the social landscape since 9/11 is the advent of social media. SM is not the problem in and of itself, but it's a tool that can be utilized on both the micro and macro levels to foment a steady churning of political unrest and divisive rhetoric.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 11:27 pm
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:41 am to
Bill Maher is feeling the pressure from the left, and he knows how hypocritical they are, but he can't express that to the audience.
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