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Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:29 pm to coachcrisp
It was semi, he used a slide or bump fire stock. To achieve rapid fire, there is a big difference
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:35 pm to coachcrisp
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The weapon I saw shown on TV had a bipod attachment and was damn sure automatic. I don't know what you saw or heard.
The gun used in the shooting was a Daniel Defense AR 15 with a bumpstock. Not a fully automatic weapon. Bumpstock makes it act as such, though. Not sure what you saw or heard, but this is fact.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:40 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:Do you honestly believe that several 1000s of rounds weren't fire by that guy?...I didn't say that the weapon wouldn'tgo on full auto...I said that it was wasn't set up (with scope) for full auto. Rifles can be set up as sniper weapons, but can be used automatically if necessary.
I've personally witnessed a suppressor go through 500 rounds full auto, no issues. That gun photo is select fire in burst or full auto, so you are incorrect again.
You do realize that suppressors have a very small effect on the sound that a rifle makes, right? This is the crux of this discussion, right?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:49 pm to cas4t
I'm not saying you're wrong. I saw a picture on tv (no audio) of 2 rifles and one had a bipod attachment and assumed that they were the actual weapons used. Have they shown a picture of them yet?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:09 pm to coachcrisp
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Do you honestly believe that several 1000s of rounds weren't fire by that guy?...I didn't say that the weapon wouldn'tgo on full auto...I said that it was wasn't set up (with scope) for full auto. Rifles can be set up as sniper weapons, but can be used automatically if necessary. You do realize that suppressors have a very small effect on the sound that a rifle makes, right? This is the crux of this discussion, right?
Not to be an arse here but it's clear here based on your comments I know more than you about suppressors, auto weapons and guns.
You just asked me if I knew about sound suppression when I told you previously I pretty much have experience with them.
They make suppressors that work on full autos. That is what you claimed on the other page were not real.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:13 pm to Weagle25
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The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots.
Not really, the guy was shooting for like 10 min. Have watched multiple videos and folks are just standing there. One guy tells this asian chick to GTFO and she keeps talking on her phone. Future Darwin Award winner there.
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Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer
Not much difference. Some folks were so drunk they just stood around like sheep waiting to get clipped. I have been Jimmy Buffet drunk before but in my generation we still had the natural response to seek cover at great haste when the shooting started. Listening to the audio it is not like any fireworks I ever heard and clearly sounds like automatic fire.
While the tragedy is terrible, between the drinking (and probably drugs), no telling the additional needless casualty count from a less aware younger generation. If kids today are so disconnected from their surroundings the body counts will just be higher in the future.
In the past decade I have saved at least 3 kids from getting run over as they were looking at their phones or playing games instead of looking up at the oncoming traffic. Last one was a college kid who was seconds away from becoming a Ford F150 hood ornament. Grabbed her by her collar and yanked her back just in time not to get run over. She was texting her friend on her phone and never looked up as she started to cross.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:39 pm to PrivatePublic
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Most of the time I want to have hope for our great country, but today I'm reminded that if not for an archaic voting distribution, this heifer would be our president.
I'm not sure the POTUS we ended up with is much better. I think it's an embarrassment to the United States that two people like Trump and Clinton were our nominees.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 8:07 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:Bub, in your mind you know more about everything than everybody...but that's a conversation for another time.
Not to be an arse here but it's clear here based on your comments I know more than you about suppressors, auto weapons and guns.
You just asked me if I knew about sound suppression when I told you previously I pretty much have experience with them.
They make suppressors that work on full autos. That is what you claimed on the other page were not real.
I neither know nor care what you know about firearms. I know what I know and this conversation started out talking about silencers with don't actually exist on these weapons. Suppressors that don't "silence" the shot of a weapon, but slightly reduce the noise one makes when fired along with concealing muzzle blast/flash. Again, if you have all this experience with auto weapons, are you unaware that suppressors only muffle a small amount of the noise,or you're aware of it and I am correct? Finally, I stated that with the number of rounds fired by this guy, a suppressor wouldn't hold up. If I'm wrong, link, or give me something that says differently.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:22 pm to Weagle25
fat, greasy count
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:11 pm to Weagle25
Has there ever been any clue that the witch is anything but pure evil?
She made a remark last year about most adults needing to be in FEMA camps. She and her husband are responsible (directly or indirectly) to over 50 murders / deaths.
No telling how deep the darkness gets with her.
She made a remark last year about most adults needing to be in FEMA camps. She and her husband are responsible (directly or indirectly) to over 50 murders / deaths.
No telling how deep the darkness gets with her.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:24 am to coachcrisp
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The weapon I saw shown on TV had a bipod attachment and was damn sure automatic.
Who the frick puts a bipod on a fully auto weapon?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:41 am to coachcrisp
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I know what I know and this conversation started out talking about silencers with don't actually exist on these weapons.
If this is your knowledge, then what you know is a lie...and you have been incorrect in most of your statements here quote:
Suppressors that don't "silence" the shot of a weapon,
This is a red herring to the debate we are having
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Finally, I stated that with the number of rounds fired by this guy, a suppressor wouldn't hold up.
Which is incorrect again and no you stated suppressors dont work on full autos, they melt and they dont exist on these weapons
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A silencer on an automatic weapon! What a perfect example of her profound ignorance of the world in general.
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If I'm wrong, link, or give me something that says differently.
How many links do you want? pick a number from 1-100
I already provided you with a photo of one, which you said wasnt an Auto, even though it was. then you said it wasnt "set up" for auto, which it was.
LINK
LINK
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:18 am to NYCAuburn
Thanks for making my original point in the thread! at the 6-7 minute mark, the guy installs the suppressor to the rifle and starts firing it....it's still very loud and the guy states that it only partially suppresses the noise and recommends that you still use earplugs! IT AIN'T NO DAMN SILENCER!!!
"This is a red herring to the debate we are having"---Bull shite! the entire point was the Clinton statement was ridiculous because a "silencer" wouldn't eliminate the noise, and it won't!
Finally, if you'll watch your link, you'll notice that the man restricts his fire to single rounds and bursts after installing the suppressor. If an automatic weapon can be continually fired on auto for an extensive time without damaging the suppressor, show me and I'll be fine with it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:46 am to coachcrisp
In single or limited shots, a 2 liter plastic bottle makes a pretty good suppressor especially if cost is an issue.
As for silencers, I think one of the most effective was the ones the british developed for their commandos to use on the Sten gun in WWII. Supposedly the loudest noise was the actual action of the gun (firing pin, reload, ejection, etc noises).
As for automatic, high round machine guns, barrel heat is a bad enough issue (why the gattling gun has multiple barrels and a .50 cal has a handle to quickly remove a hot barrel) that adding a silencer / suppressor seems pretty far fetched.
Germans had maybe the most efficient auto (MG -42) and never heard it used with a suppressor or silencer. If memory serves, the Vickers was water cooled to deal with the barrel heat issue of automatic fire.
If you want a good education on high impact weaponry and are in the KY area I suggest a trip to West Point and the Knob Creek Gun Range. Mash Here for info on Knob Creek
As for silencers, I think one of the most effective was the ones the british developed for their commandos to use on the Sten gun in WWII. Supposedly the loudest noise was the actual action of the gun (firing pin, reload, ejection, etc noises).
As for automatic, high round machine guns, barrel heat is a bad enough issue (why the gattling gun has multiple barrels and a .50 cal has a handle to quickly remove a hot barrel) that adding a silencer / suppressor seems pretty far fetched.
Germans had maybe the most efficient auto (MG -42) and never heard it used with a suppressor or silencer. If memory serves, the Vickers was water cooled to deal with the barrel heat issue of automatic fire.
If you want a good education on high impact weaponry and are in the KY area I suggest a trip to West Point and the Knob Creek Gun Range. Mash Here for info on Knob Creek
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:48 am to Globetrotter747
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I think it's an embarrassment to the United States that two people like Trump and Clinton were our nominees.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:55 am to Cheese Grits
quote:....or listen to NYC's self-aggrandizing bullshite!
If you want a good education on high impact weaponry and are in the KY area I suggest a trip to West Point and the Knob Creek Gun Range. Mash Here for info on Knob Creek
Posted on 10/5/17 at 5:21 am to Weagle25
WHo fricking cares right?
Just give me the new damn iphone and keep me posted on the updates of the Kardashians and life will be good.
Just give me the new damn iphone and keep me posted on the updates of the Kardashians and life will be good.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:24 am to coachcrisp
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"This is a red herring to the debate we are having"---Bull shite!
Okay, do you want to go back to where you and I started conversing? I have never said a silencer was silent. I simply stated Automatic weapons can and do have silencers, a statement you refuted. you interjected the silent aspect as a red herring.
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r. If an automatic weapon can be continually fired on auto for an extensive time without damaging the suppressor, show me and I'll be fine with it.
Yes a bad suppressor will melt the internal baffles and a better suppressor will not last thousands of rounds of continued fire, but guess what, neither will a barrel on a AR, so its a moot point, as the weapon itself would fail with or without a suppressor. AR's are not designed for that other guns are
Just so you can recall better, even though it was on the last page
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A silencer on an automatic weapon! What a perfect example of her profound ignorance of the world in general.
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if you open up an automatic weapon with a muzzle suppressor on it, it'll completely melt down after several 100 rounds
Before you claim someone else's ignorance, you might have your facts correct
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:22 am to NYCAuburn
To be fair, snipers probably have the best suppressors due to single shot and patience between firing. Commandos in close quarters probably would have the next best as short bursts and close distance to targets.
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