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re: Gary Johnson vs Donald Trump
Posted on 7/4/16 at 2:50 am to bbvdd
Posted on 7/4/16 at 2:50 am to bbvdd
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Gary Johnson isn't conservative on most issues.
In my mind, he's the most conservative of all. True, he's not like Republicans, but Republicans are not conservative in any way, shape, or form.
Republicans are big government loons.
But instead of the tax-and-spend (or cash and carry) model of the Democrats, they're tax-cut-and-spend. And they're just as socialist as the Democrats. But instead of dolling out money to less fortunate Americans, they're funneling money into some other guy's pocket in some other country. Which is worse, because it's taking money out of US circulation. Their nation-building has had catastrophic repercussions on the solvency of this nation. Their World Police mantra of "spreading democracy and freedom" to people who don't want it has been an utter failure.
If you're going to conserve the tenets on which this nation was founded, then you have to support things like private property rights, privacy rights, the freedom to choose, and the right to pursue happiness. Well, Republicans (and Democrats) don't like that if your happiness offends them or runs counter to their agenda. And both are for kicking you off your land if they want it, and will support spying on you and invading your privacy if they so choose.
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin, and neither are conservative.
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Posted on 7/4/16 at 2:54 am to bayoumuscle21
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FIFY, because that's all you're doing with a vote for Johnson
And that vote counts just as much as any you'll cast. Which is to say, it's irrelevant. Popular vote doesn't elect the president. If that were so, Al Gore would've been president.
Just like Jackson, Tilden, and Cleveland.
The majority of voters want them, but they didn't win. So, it's ultimately irrelevant who you vote for. Electors will vote how they want, and they've broken from the popular vote over 150 times.
Elections are about the illusion of choice.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 3:52 pm to Supravol22
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I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal. So Gary Johnson aligns with my views
I am as well, I've been on the Trump train since day one. The way Trump has been attacked by the GOP only makes me want to support him more. Trump was asked to sign documents saying he would not run as an independent and support the republican nominee. And the GOP pushes Johnson in as an independent. It just pisses me off.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 4:11 pm to Alleycat9
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And the GOP pushes Johnson in as an independent
what? You have no idea what you're talking about
This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 7/4/16 at 4:25 pm to CowTownReb
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The majority of voters want them, but they didn't win. So, it's ultimately irrelevant who you vote for. Electors will vote how they want, and they've broken from the popular vote over 150 times.
Can you provide examples of when an elector went against the popular vote in their congressional district? I've never heard of an elector changing their district's popular vote. I've only heard of electors changing the popular vote of their state to what their congressional district represents.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 4:44 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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Can you provide examples of when an elector went against the popular vote in their congressional district? I've never heard of an elector changing their district's popular vote. I've only heard of electors changing the popular vote of their state to what their congressional district represents.
Not sure if it answers your question, but Ronald Reagan received an electoral college vote in the 1976 Presidential Election.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 11:58 am to HogFanfromHTown
Here's just a few from a slew of examples:
1976 election: Washington Elector Mike Padden, pledged for Republicans Gerald Ford and Bob Dole, cast his presidential electoral vote for Ronald Reagan, who had challenged Ford for the Republican nomination. He cast his vice presidential vote, as pledged, for Dole.
1968 election: North Carolina Elector Lloyd W. Bailey, pledged for Republicans Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, cast his votes for American Independent Party candidates George Wallace and Curtis LeMay.
1892 election: In Oregon, three electors voted for Republican Benjamin Harrison and one faithless elector voted for the third-party Populist candidate, James B. Weaver. All four were pledged to President Harrison, who lost the election.
1976 election: Washington Elector Mike Padden, pledged for Republicans Gerald Ford and Bob Dole, cast his presidential electoral vote for Ronald Reagan, who had challenged Ford for the Republican nomination. He cast his vice presidential vote, as pledged, for Dole.
1968 election: North Carolina Elector Lloyd W. Bailey, pledged for Republicans Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew, cast his votes for American Independent Party candidates George Wallace and Curtis LeMay.
1892 election: In Oregon, three electors voted for Republican Benjamin Harrison and one faithless elector voted for the third-party Populist candidate, James B. Weaver. All four were pledged to President Harrison, who lost the election.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 5:34 am to NYCAuburn
quote:Doesn't matter. I'm voting for him.
Do you think Gary has even a remote chance to win more than 20 electoral votes?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:08 am to HogFanfromHTown
go find a YouTube of one of that attention whores tv shows and tell me why you think he is qualified to be your fing president ?! You people dumb and easily manipulated by demogagues.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:01 am to ecb
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go find a YouTube of one of that attention whores tv shows and tell me why you think he is qualified to be your fing president ?! You people dumb and easily manipulated by demogagues.
Because he's not Hillary.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:27 am to Asharad
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Doesn't matter. I'm voting for him.
If people would stop playing games with their votes and just vote for their candidate, we probably wouldn't be in this situation. I don't give a shite how many electoral votes he is projected to go in his favor. I'm not voting for Trump nor Hillary, and I actually think Johnson is a pretty solid conservative that doesn't lean too far right.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:38 am to cas4t
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If people would stop playing games with their votes and just vote for their candidate, we probably wouldn't be in this situation. I don't give a shite how many electoral votes he is projected to go in his favor.
This country is great because you can decide for yourself. Some people want their vote to be symbolic and some people want their vote to count towards something tangible.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:55 am to NYCAuburn
That's kind of my point, though. This is just an off the cuff theory of mine, but I think too many people vote based on who they think has a chance at obtaining electoral votes, hence creating a system that has led us to where we are now. I understand it makes sense currently to many.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:13 am to cas4t
I think you should have to take the isidewith quiz and vote for whomever it says you matchup with.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:27 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:40 am to TeLeFaWx
Trump is the only one worse than Hillary, congrats to the republicans on not being able to defeat the WORST democratic candidate in decades. Maybe the libertarians will now take their place as the 2nd party.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:52 am to cas4t
I want GJ to be in the Presidential debates. I hope he gets the opportunity.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:54 pm to ecb
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Trump is the only one worse than Hillary, congrats to the republicans on not being able to defeat the WORST democratic candidate in decades. Maybe the libertarians will now take their place as the 2nd party.
Hillary is worse than Trump. She's singularly unfit for office.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:25 pm to bbvdd
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Gary Johnson isn't conservative on most issues.
That's right. I know conservatives don't like pot smokers, but there is nothing fiscally conservative about putting millions of them in prison. This country has wasted trillions of dollars on the drug war since Nixon, yet millions of so-called "fiscal conservatives" support the failed policy anyway. It's why I roll my eyes every time a conservative starts talking about small government. Conservatives are every bit as authoritarian as liberals, they just disagree on which issues the government should ignore the concept of liberty.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:34 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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Gary Johnson vs Donald Trump
Conservatives, who do you support and why?
If you support Trump, explain how he is better and give concrete examples. I.e. something other than "he's the only one who could win" as that's a bunch of media engrained bull and a historically disastrous reason to vote for an individual.
I'm debating voting between the two and Gary seems like the much more reliable and honest option.
I'm a bit annoyed at the people who say they might vote for Gary Johnson in 2016 because Trump and Clinton are so awful. I voted for him in 2012, when we also had two awful candidates. You guys are late to the party, but I suppose I shouldn't be too bitter about it. So welcome to the party.
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