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France shuts down 3 mosques suspected of Radicalization
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:19 pm
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Cazeneuve confirmed in a speech that authorities had closed one mosque in Lyon and two outside of Paris since the Nov. 13 terror attacks in Paris. This was the first time France had closed mosques “on grounds of radicalization," he said.
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A major police operation was underway Wednesday in one of those mosques and in the homes of its leaders. Authorities found a handgun, a hard drive hidden behind a wall and jihadist propaganda, French TV station iTélé reported
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"In a period of 15 days, we have seized one-third of the number of arms we normally seize in an entire year," he said. This includes 334 weapons, including 34 "weapons of war."
Huffington Post
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This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 12:22 pm
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:29 pm to TRUERockyTop
This is going to be interesting. If the government shut down three churches in the US it certainly wouldn't make each of the congregations just disperse and forget about one another. If anything they would rally around their unified beliefs.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:31 pm to Stacked
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If anything they would rally around their unified beliefs.
Along with ever SJW that was within 300 miles. If a gang attacked a public area would the support be the same?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:59 pm to Stacked
Will be interesting to follow. It's a shame that even the holiest of places can be used as a meeting point to devise plans with the intent to hurt the masses.
It's a fricked up situation all around
It's a fricked up situation all around
Posted on 12/8/15 at 1:04 pm to TRUERockyTop
The problem is to the Western World, Religion is a safe haven, a peaceful establishment. No matter what is going on around it, religion (mainly Christianity and Judaism) are left along because they are not a threat. So in our culture, Religion and religious building are outside of the scope of violence and threats because it has never been a threat in modern times. We confuse Western religion with Islam and we shouldn't because it has been tied to violence since its inception and is a threat.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 1:07 pm to TRUERockyTop
As they should and as should we.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 1:24 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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As they should and as should we
It only does more harm then good.
It doesn't stop them from meeting and it would inspire more passion from them.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 1:28 pm to Stacked
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This is going to be interesting. If the government shut down three churches in the US it certainly wouldn't make each of the congregations just disperse and forget about one another. If anything they would rally around their unified beliefs.
I would also imagine it helps intelligence agencies in tracking some of these folks too.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:00 pm to Weagle25
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It only does more harm then good.
It doesn't stop them from meeting and it would inspire more passion from them.
What is it that you propose we do?
Continue to let them use holy sites as cache houses and recruiting centers because it will inspire more passion from them to use other locations to do the exact same thing?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:11 pm to TRUERockyTop
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What is it that you propose we do?
Well I don't know but shutting down the mosques does pretty much nothing beneficial.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:12 pm to TRUERockyTop
What are you suggesting would happen if we shut down mosques here?
That they'd stop meeting and organizing attacks? That they'll just magically go away?
ETA: And I'm pretty sure the Patriot Act covers mosque surveillance.
That they'd stop meeting and organizing attacks? That they'll just magically go away?
ETA: And I'm pretty sure the Patriot Act covers mosque surveillance.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:17 pm to TRUERockyTop
It is interesting how the media and many people are pushing the whole "We're playing right into ISIS' wants"
Nothing we do will dissuade their extremism.
Nothing we do will dissuade their extremism.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:39 pm to TRUERockyTop
Good. They all should be bugged with translators listening in. The world needs to send a loud and clear message to Muslims to clean up their act or be banned from Western culture.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
Where did I suggest anything?
Regardless, if I found out that the LEADERS of a particular mosque were using the "holy site" as a weapon cache and recruitment center for Jihad to use against MY PEOPLE, IN MY COUNTRY, to blend in with your every day non-confrontational muslims as to throw off my government..
I honestly don't know. That's why the question was asked.
It wouldn't continued to be used a safe house for weapons and "Soldiers of Allah" though.
Regardless, if I found out that the LEADERS of a particular mosque were using the "holy site" as a weapon cache and recruitment center for Jihad to use against MY PEOPLE, IN MY COUNTRY, to blend in with your every day non-confrontational muslims as to throw off my government..
I honestly don't know. That's why the question was asked.
It wouldn't continued to be used a safe house for weapons and "Soldiers of Allah" though.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:47 pm to TRUERockyTop
How xenophobic can France be? It's as if they want France to be somewhat French in the future. Racists.
Sadly, it is probably too little, too late for France. Actual ethnic French are already in minority under 18 in large sections of their country.
Suicidal Leftism kills nations. Imagine that.
Sadly, it is probably too little, too late for France. Actual ethnic French are already in minority under 18 in large sections of their country.
Suicidal Leftism kills nations. Imagine that.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:57 pm to TRUERockyTop
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Where did I suggest anything?
That's my point. So we shut down mosques and they move to meeting in areas that we can't readily track them or actively keep them under surveillance. At the same time going down a very slippery path when it comes to shutting down a religious place of worship AND pissing not just your SJWs but a lot of conservatives who had fundamental Constitutional issues with similar suggestions.
I just don't see where that makes us any safer. If anything, I think it opens up a huge can of scary arse worms when it comes to keeping tabs on suspected terrorists and giving government free reign on persecution based on religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:35 pm to Weagle25
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It only does more harm then good.
It doesn't stop them from meeting and it would inspire more passion from them.
Agree.
You have to take prudent action. These types of 'take overs' don't affect the bad guys, and they push the neutral guys over to the bad side. What's perhaps worse is that it pushes the good guys toward ambivalence, meaning they turn their back, don't alert anyone, etc. We end up more that want to fight us and none that want to help.
Have to find better solutions than what the French just did.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:13 pm to TRUERockyTop
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What is it that you propose we do?
Don't shut them down, just barricade the doors with the worshippers inside and set them ablaze.
Why frick around?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:35 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Give me your honest opinion on radical Muslims/ Muslims in general? Your hatred is disturbing 
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:30 pm to Blue October
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Give me your honest opinion on radical Muslims/ Muslims in general?
You couldn't handle my honest opinion
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