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First past the post vs Alternative Vote

Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:37 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:37 pm
At present, we use in the US a "First past the post" voting system, meaning that whomever gets the most votes wins.

Notice I did not say "gets the majority of the votes", but "gets the most votes".

This system is the whole reason we have a two-party system, as it takes only a few elections for all other parties to drop out, despite in initial elections likely never having a majority vote.

Think, "Oh, that doesn't really happen"?

In 12 different presidential elections, the president won with less than 50% of the vote. This included both elections of Bill Clinton (everyone over the age of 30 remembers Ross Perot claiming a huge chunk of the popular vote in 1992), the election of Nixon in 68, and Truman in 48.

In the Alternative Vote method, voters can vote their preference as they wish.

You can vote for who you want to vote for, but if they cannot garner 50% of the vote, then your #2 choice gets your vote. So if you had voted for Perot as your #1 choice in 1992, but still preferred Bush Sr to Clinton, he would be your #2 - and he would get your vote, presuming Perot did not have enough to "first choice" voters to be in the top 2 candidates (otherwise it would be Perot, then Bush).

Really good videos:

First Past the Post - Why it's terrible

Alternate Vote - A better alternative

Now, will this ever happen in the US?

So long as voters are apathetic and not telling Democrats and Republicans to get bent? Sadly, the status quo will remain.

The Trouble with the Electoral College

Gerrymandering explained

Mixed Member Proportional Representation
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:06 pm to
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So long as voters are apathetic and not telling Democrats and Republicans to get bent?


You may not have noticed, but this is coming very close to happening this year. The Republican voters have just nominated a candidate with virtually no history in the party and on the Democratic side, a guy who wasn't even a party member until he decided to run for POTUS is only 300 elected delegates (out of over 2700 awarded) the 'other half' of the most popular Dem administration in the last 50 years.

That's as about as clear a 'get bent' message as they come....
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:01 pm to
Perhaps, but Perot's clearly huge numbers for a third party candidate didn't make a dent in them changing their ways. I remain pessimistic that the current primaries will sway party leaderships to change their ways.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 4:16 pm to
Perot didn't win a single thing. He never ran in a primary and he didn't carry a single state in the general election. Trump and Sanders have both blown his accomplishments out of the water.

Trump's now the Republican nominee. No matter what happens in the general election, come January 2017 there will be a massive overhaul of the Republican leadership. Heads are going to roll.

If Trump goes on to win the general election, the bloodbath that will happen within the Democratic party leadership will make the French revolution look like a church picnic. Even if he doesn't, the sustained success of Bernie Sanders is going to trigger a great deal of introspection.
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