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Posted on 9/24/16 at 2:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 9/24/16 at 2:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Looking for that easy cherry picking.
About what I'd expect from you.
Is it not odd that I responded without any personal attack and explained with clarity and grace how he miscomprehended something -- and that post ends up with down votes?
It' odd. But par for this type of anonymous communication.
About what I'd expect from you.
Is it not odd that I responded without any personal attack and explained with clarity and grace how he miscomprehended something -- and that post ends up with down votes?
It' odd. But par for this type of anonymous communication.
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Posted on 9/24/16 at 3:23 pm to Supreme Tiger
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For some reason you and your buddy downvoted my corrections to your mistakes
ST, I have never used upvote and downvote since I've been posting on this board. I am neither for you or against you.
My effort is to help you enjoy discussions here. I enjoy them very much. My feedback to you was that you underestimate the folks on the board.
It's kind of a peer review board. If you present a subject, there are others who will challenge you.
Support your view and most people will thank you for the offering. However, if you bring up something and don't support it then your subject is fair game for ridicule.
Now, you brought up the interesting subject of ancient advanced civilizations. It qualifies because killz listed aliens as one of the subjects. Many people think that extraterrestrials are responsible for humanity's technological abilities.
Are you engaged in research in this area? Are you prepared for the resistance from scientists to anything you present?
Posted on 9/24/16 at 3:38 pm to Kentucker
Whether or not you down voted or not really isn't important. The main thing was your response to what transpired on the previous page.
My stance really has nothing to do with alien life, which is why I never mentioned it, and why I said this isn't the thread for ancient civilizations.
A lot of really dedicated people are, and they have really great work.
What I'm afraid you'll never understand is how protective mainstream science is of the current order -- it's interlocked together, like the snake the eats its tail. It's not very complicated, as it's easy to see who funds science in universities and how everything connects to maintain certain narratives.
Tesla was rejected by mainstream. Yet we know he was brilliant and correct on so many things.
This of course is not the way I'm going to spend my Saturday afternoon.
In time I'll start some threads in the theme of ancient civilization. You're welcome to contribute to them.
My stance really has nothing to do with alien life, which is why I never mentioned it, and why I said this isn't the thread for ancient civilizations.
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Are you engaged in research in this area? Are you prepared for the resistance from scientists to anything you present?
A lot of really dedicated people are, and they have really great work.
What I'm afraid you'll never understand is how protective mainstream science is of the current order -- it's interlocked together, like the snake the eats its tail. It's not very complicated, as it's easy to see who funds science in universities and how everything connects to maintain certain narratives.
Tesla was rejected by mainstream. Yet we know he was brilliant and correct on so many things.
This of course is not the way I'm going to spend my Saturday afternoon.
In time I'll start some threads in the theme of ancient civilization. You're welcome to contribute to them.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 4:07 pm to Supreme Tiger
Okay, if you, or anyone for that matter, start any threads related to science I'll certainly participate. It's my passion.
One thing I'd like to share with you about science is that there is no dominant group that controls what is and isn't eligible for review. It is very much a dog-eat-dog discipline so you have to be thick-skinned if you want an idea to be accepted by the community.
Yes, regarding Tesla, his ideas were rejected at first by a lot of scientists. Many scientists have faced the same rejection but gone on to successfully prove their hypotheses, to the great benefit of mankind.
Today, however, the scientific community is a tad gentler than in Tesla's day, but just a tad. The easiest way to gain credibility is to associate oneself with a research university, the more prominent the better.
Remember that scientists have all the prejudices and biases that come with being human beings. If your idea is counter to one that is popular in the scientific community, then resistance is going to be strong.
However, if your evidence is strong and your adherence to the scientific method is devout then your idea will have to be reviewed. Peer pressure is just as strong as peer review in that regard.
One thing I'd like to share with you about science is that there is no dominant group that controls what is and isn't eligible for review. It is very much a dog-eat-dog discipline so you have to be thick-skinned if you want an idea to be accepted by the community.
Yes, regarding Tesla, his ideas were rejected at first by a lot of scientists. Many scientists have faced the same rejection but gone on to successfully prove their hypotheses, to the great benefit of mankind.
Today, however, the scientific community is a tad gentler than in Tesla's day, but just a tad. The easiest way to gain credibility is to associate oneself with a research university, the more prominent the better.
Remember that scientists have all the prejudices and biases that come with being human beings. If your idea is counter to one that is popular in the scientific community, then resistance is going to be strong.
However, if your evidence is strong and your adherence to the scientific method is devout then your idea will have to be reviewed. Peer pressure is just as strong as peer review in that regard.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 4:20 pm to Kentucker
Ken
Enjoy your Saturday.
Enjoy your Saturday.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 4:58 pm to mizzoukills
May I join the discussion of my favorite topic: Aliens, or Off World.
I have researched/studied heavily the last 5 years on the subject after ONE question hit me:
With thousands of ufo sightings (most are human made craft) and legit ET, why are they showing us their existence without contact? why even have lights to show their positions?
there are only a few correct answers, but the main one is God has control when ET contacts us, or "DISCLOSURE'
If you google and binge read/watch: David Wilcock, Dr Steven Greer and Corey Goode, to name a few, you will know more of what exists than 90% of the world population.
However, I warn that "many will be deceived".
I have researched/studied heavily the last 5 years on the subject after ONE question hit me:
With thousands of ufo sightings (most are human made craft) and legit ET, why are they showing us their existence without contact? why even have lights to show their positions?
there are only a few correct answers, but the main one is God has control when ET contacts us, or "DISCLOSURE'
If you google and binge read/watch: David Wilcock, Dr Steven Greer and Corey Goode, to name a few, you will know more of what exists than 90% of the world population.
However, I warn that "many will be deceived".
Posted on 9/24/16 at 5:29 pm to Rascal
I'm not really into aliens.
But I imagine if there's ever 'disclosure' it will be a false flag. The Blue-Beam project and that kind of stuff makes it seem that way, and of course it'd be an excellent way to unify the global community.
When it comes to this kind of stuff I'm more in line with interdimensional beings, instead of the physical aliens with giant space crafts that we're shown in movies.
But I imagine if there's ever 'disclosure' it will be a false flag. The Blue-Beam project and that kind of stuff makes it seem that way, and of course it'd be an excellent way to unify the global community.
When it comes to this kind of stuff I'm more in line with interdimensional beings, instead of the physical aliens with giant space crafts that we're shown in movies.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:17 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Enjoy your Saturday.
You, too.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:30 pm to Rascal
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David Wilcock is a professional lecturer, filmmaker and researcher of ancient civilizations, consciousness science, and new paradigms of matter and energy. His upcoming Hollywood film CONVERGENCE unveils the proof that all life on Earth is united in a field of consciousness, which affects our minds in fascinating ways.
LINK
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Steven Macon Greer (June 28, 1955) is an American retired medical doctor and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) and The Disclosure Project, which seeks the disclosure of allegedly suppressed UFO information.
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Identified as an intuitive empath (IE) with precognitive abilities, Corey Goode was recruited through one of the MILAB programs at the young age of six. Goode trained and served in the MILAB program from 1976-1986/87. Towards the end of his time as a MILAB he was assigned to an IE support role for a rotating Earth Delegate Seat (shared by secret earth government groups) in a “human-type” ET Super Federation Council.
LINK
Rascal, why do these people think that information is being suppressed about aliens?
Posted on 9/24/16 at 11:36 pm to Kentucker
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One thing I'd like to share with you about science is that there is no dominant group that controls what is and isn't eligible for review. It is very much a dog-eat-dog discipline so you have to be thick-skinned if you want an idea to be accepted by the community.
You prepare your studies for your enemies, not your friends in the scientific community, which is why it's such a fascinating field.
That being said, it's so easy if you have real evidence.
I'll repeat:
I tell people who are contrary to evolution to study it in an academic setting and attempt to crack it. There's so much money in destroying what we feel to be scientific axiomata.
So, if you want to make a claim, don't tell us.
Tell them. Debate it on and in formal circles, but don't just tell us we're ignorant knownothings who can't grasp what you're selling.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:04 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You prepare your studies for your enemies, not your friends in the scientific community, which is why it's such a fascinating field.
Very true. I have followed science debates all of my life and they are fascinating. My favorite was about the Higgs Boson. That one went back and forth for nearly five decades until the Large Hadron Collider settled the issue by finding the first boson and validating Peter Higgs' theory and confirming the Standard Model.
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So, if you want to make a claim, don't tell us.
Tell them. Debate it on and in formal circles, but don't just tell us we're ignorant knownothings who can't grasp what you're selling.
I just can't understand those who think the scientific community is some mysterious entity that's in cahoots with the government to keep certain information from the public. Scientists are, generally speaking, the most blatant blabbermouths on earth.
The "publish or perish" credo under which they live commands them to get their ideas into the mainstream before their competitors. Their very careers can hinge on a publishing date. This applies to both public and private sector scientists. Being secretive in research will get you scooped.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:48 am to Kentucker
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I just can't understand those who think the scientific community is some mysterious entity that's in cahoots with the government to keep certain information from the public. Scientists are, generally speaking, the most blatant blabbermouths on earth.
The "publish or perish" credo under which they live commands them to get their ideas into the mainstream before their competitors. Their very careers can hinge on a publishing date. This applies to both public and private sector scientists. Being secretive in research will get you scooped.
You can see the same thing with the people who are anti-vax and anti-GMO.
For Vaccines, there would have to be, at a minimum, every single virologist/microbiologistvaccinologist in on it. They all went to the school of medicine, put their hand on the book and solemnly swore to kill all humans and give more people autism.
It's just not reality, that's not where guys like ST dwell. What's a conspiracy HYPOTHESIS to most is stupidly solid work to him, almost unquestionable that he could be wrong wherein we actually admit that there is quite the possibility that there was some form of interaction with early mankind.
I really just want to get on topic, I want to talk about Europa because I love it. I love that we might not be alone, but even moreso that it's so easy to find life. If there are two fountains in one solar system, or possibly several, I'd be so happy.
So let's kill this subthread, and move back to Europa.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I love that we might not be alone, but even moreso that it's so easy to find life. If there are two fountains in one solar system, or possibly several, I'd be so happy.
A revelation of life on Europa would be the most profound discovery in history. Because the Jupiter system is so far from earth, it would mean a second abiogenesis had occurred in our solar system.
A discovery of life on Mars might indicate that a "blow-off" of organisms from earth had reached the planet. Of course, the opposite is true, too. We may all be Martians.
If a second abiogenesis in our solar system is determined, it will indicate that life is ubiquitous wherever conditions for it to grow are present. Those conditions include the presence of liquid water and the chemicals nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorous and sulfur.
There might be exotic forms of life that we can't imagine yet, such as one that uses another liquid and silicon instead of carbon as a base, but it makes sense to look first for life similar to our own. After all, the chemicals that make us up are plentiful in the Goldilocks zone of the Milky Way.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:28 pm to Kentucker
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If a second abiogenesis in our solar system is determined, it will indicate that life is ubiquitous wherever conditions for it to grow are present. Those conditions include the presence of liquid water and the chemicals nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorous and sulfur.
Yaaaaasssss.
This is what I'm so excited about. Well of course, life survives through life so that's actually kind of frightening -- but it would absolutely change the human paradigm. That's one goal I look forward to, but similarly we could seed in the future, and see what kinds of life actually exist in extreme environments (we've already done this somewhat).
Abiogenesis is a sexy topic, getting me all hot and bothered this early in the day.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:46 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You guys are just having a ball in here, aren't ya?
Sad sad life when you've got to manufacture assumptions of others who aren't here to speak for themselves so you can feel better about yourself.
You guys sound like you need some fresh air.
Sad sad life when you've got to manufacture assumptions of others who aren't here to speak for themselves so you can feel better about yourself.
You guys sound like you need some fresh air.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:58 pm to Kentucker
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Rascal, why do these people think that information is being suppressed about aliens?
The key word is CONTROL. always has been. Their excuse not to disclose is the people are too dumb to be scared, and the powers that be, the Cabal, don't want rednecks and such running around shooting anything out of the ordinary.
Another BIG reason is the technology aspect of it. all the major corporations stand to lose big time once all the secrets are announced. the Cabal own these companies one way or another.
Do you realize there are machines called REPLICATORS that can duplicate anything: food, money. If it doesn't cost anything to make food, human's main staple, you don't need money. making money obsolete, hence destroying the Cabal, who CONTROLs everything.
Now, one more name to google, Neil Keenan. This man will change the global monetary system. He now has powers to oversee the distribution of quadtrillions of dollars. A systematic acquisition over the centuries of Gold and other precious commodities have been stockpiled into thousands of bunkers and caves in the far east.
these bunkers have been protected by special families and special beings. Funds & technology will be first distributed to the POOR around the world. I can't post all I've read or know, but I have given names for anyone to research to understand what is about happen for humanity.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/25/16 at 1:23 pm to Rascal
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 2:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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but it would absolutely change the human paradigm
I agree. I hope it will have a unifying effect on humanity. Knowing that earth life is not unique would force a new value for exploration of space. Hopefully that new vision would suppress the irrational subscription that most of humanity has to a supreme being that controls nature.
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and see what kinds of life actually exist in extreme environments
We know from our earthly examples that life can exist in both extreme heat and cold. We don't know, however if those examples arose in those environments or adapted to it after originating in more tepid environs.
Finding life on Europa would definitely answer the question about the proclivity of it to begin across a wide range of circumstances.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 2:53 pm to Rascal
Neil Keenan's blog
A cabal is a group of people who secretly plot, as a cabal to overthrow or influence a government. What kind of information might a US cabal be withholding that, if it became public knowledge, would cause turmoil in the streets of America?
If one group, the Cabal, owns all companies why is the field of technology so competitive? Wouldn't they be working towards monopolies of products?
Well, I've seen replicators on shows such as Star Trek. Are you saying they've been developed for use in the real world?
I hope you don't mind that I post links to sites relating to the people you mention.
Thanks. What is that you think is about to happen, given the complexities humanity is experiencing here at the beginning of the 21st century?
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The key word is CONTROL. always has been. Their excuse not to disclose is the people are too dumb to be scared, and the powers that be, the Cabal, don't want rednecks and such running around shooting anything out of the ordinary.
A cabal is a group of people who secretly plot, as a cabal to overthrow or influence a government. What kind of information might a US cabal be withholding that, if it became public knowledge, would cause turmoil in the streets of America?
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Another BIG reason is the technology aspect of it. all the major corporations stand to lose big time once all the secrets are announced. the Cabal own these companies one way or another.
If one group, the Cabal, owns all companies why is the field of technology so competitive? Wouldn't they be working towards monopolies of products?
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Do you realize there are machines called REPLICATORS that can duplicate anything: food, money. If it doesn't cost anything to make food, human's main staple, you don't need money. making money obsolete, hence destroying the Cabal, who CONTROLs everything.
Well, I've seen replicators on shows such as Star Trek. Are you saying they've been developed for use in the real world?
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Now, one more name to google, Neil Keenan. This man will change the global monetary system. He now has powers to oversee the distribution of quadtrillions of dollars. A systematic acquisition over the centuries of Gold and other precious commodities have been stockpiled into thousands of bunkers and caves in the far east.
I hope you don't mind that I post links to sites relating to the people you mention.
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these bunkers have been protected by special families and special beings. Funds & technology will be first distributed to the POOR around the world. I can't post all I've read or know, but I have given names for anyone to research to understand what is about happen for humanity.
Thanks. What is that you think is about to happen, given the complexities humanity is experiencing here at the beginning of the 21st century?
Posted on 9/25/16 at 2:54 pm to Supreme Tiger
Be kind. 
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