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Census estimates 2014, SEC metros edition.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:26 pm
Here are the SEC MSAs ranked by the 2014 estimates, including the growth rate for the metro from 2010-14.
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, TN - 1,792,649 7.3%
Knoxville, TN - 857,585 2.4%
Baton Rouge, LA - 825,478 2.9%
Columbia, SC - 800,495 4.3%
Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR - 501,653 8.3%
Lexington-Fayette, KY - 494,189 4.7%
Gainesville, FL - 273,377 3.4%
College Station-Bryan, TX - 242,905 6.2%
Tuscaloosa, AL - 237,761 3.3%
Athens-Clarke Co, GA - 199,016 3.3%
Columbia, MO - 172,717 6.2%
Auburn-Opelika, AL - 154,255 10.0%
Oxford, MS - 52,930 - 11.8%
Starkville, MS - 49,414 - 3.7%
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro, TN - 1,792,649 7.3%
Knoxville, TN - 857,585 2.4%
Baton Rouge, LA - 825,478 2.9%
Columbia, SC - 800,495 4.3%
Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR - 501,653 8.3%
Lexington-Fayette, KY - 494,189 4.7%
Gainesville, FL - 273,377 3.4%
College Station-Bryan, TX - 242,905 6.2%
Tuscaloosa, AL - 237,761 3.3%
Athens-Clarke Co, GA - 199,016 3.3%
Columbia, MO - 172,717 6.2%
Auburn-Opelika, AL - 154,255 10.0%
Oxford, MS - 52,930 - 11.8%
Starkville, MS - 49,414 - 3.7%
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 6:34 pm
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:35 pm to wmr
Anything surprising? I never really thought about Knoxville, Baton Rouge and Columbia being the same size. In my mind, I assumed Baton Rouge was larger than the other two.
Auburn is in a bigger metro than I assumed. Its nearly the size of Columbia, MO.
Auburn is in a bigger metro than I assumed. Its nearly the size of Columbia, MO.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:35 pm to wmr
For what ever reason, I've always enjoyed population/regional stats. Thanks for the share.
Surprised Fayetteville is that high.
Surprised Lexington & Gainesville are that low.
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Anything surprising?
Surprised Fayetteville is that high.
Surprised Lexington & Gainesville are that low.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:44 pm to TRUERockyTop
I knew where Fayetteville metro stood, but the city is still probably only 80k. The county to the north actually has more people in it than the county Fayetteville is in. It could just as easily be called the Bentonville-Rogers-Fayetteville metro by name.
I guess I thought Gainesville was larger, too. Auburn's metro is growing fast it appears.
I guess I thought Gainesville was larger, too. Auburn's metro is growing fast it appears.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:55 pm to wmr
I could be mistaken, but I think Knoxville's MSA is like 9 counties which is really weird to me. Places like Lenoir City, Oak Ridge, Maryville, and I guess Sevierville and Jeff City are loosely related with Knoxville. Anything outside of that has very little to do with the city.
I'm sure other cities listed are the same with surrounding counties/cities, it kind of makes the main cities look misleadingly large.
I'm sure other cities listed are the same with surrounding counties/cities, it kind of makes the main cities look misleadingly large.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:58 pm to Robert Goulet
If Tuscaloosa was considered part of the Birmingham area, it would be #1 or #2 on the list.
Oddly, it includes two counties away, but doesn't include Tuscaloosa which is adjacent
The big county bordering west/southwest of the highlighted area is Tuscaloosa
It's all sort of arbitrary methinks
Oddly, it includes two counties away, but doesn't include Tuscaloosa which is adjacent
The big county bordering west/southwest of the highlighted area is Tuscaloosa
It's all sort of arbitrary methinks
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:10 pm to genro
There are Metropolitan Statistical Areas, which I've shown here, but there is another category called Combined Statistical Area, which is usually what you're talking about when you get beyond 5 counties. Most MSAs are between 2-5 counties.
MSAs usually mean a fairly contiguous urban area. Athens is part of the Atlanta "CSA" for example, but it is its own MSA. MSAs are more accurate for showing which areas interact with each other on a daily basis, whereas CSAs are more about regional/weekly/monthly interactions.
MSAs usually mean a fairly contiguous urban area. Athens is part of the Atlanta "CSA" for example, but it is its own MSA. MSAs are more accurate for showing which areas interact with each other on a daily basis, whereas CSAs are more about regional/weekly/monthly interactions.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:12 pm to wmr
I think an argument could be made for making Fayetteville/NWA into a CSA with the Fort Smith metro to the south. It will probably be at some point in the future. The regions share TV stations for news, for example.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:18 pm to Robert Goulet
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I could be mistaken, but I think Knoxville's MSA is like 9 counties which is really weird to me. Places like Lenoir City, Oak Ridge, Maryville, and I guess Sevierville and Jeff City are loosely related with Knoxville. Anything outside of that has very little to do with the city.
Wiki has the Knoxville metro listed with:
Knox county
Blount county
Loudon county
Anderson county
Union county
The CSA is something like 13 counties and close to 1.1 million inhabitants.
Red makes up the Knoxville metro. The surrounding areas are made up mostly of smaller micropolitan areas. (Harriman, Morristown, La Follette, etc.)
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:24 pm to TRUERockyTop
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Recently just the five counties—Knox, Blount, Anderson, Loudon, and Union—our MSA has somehow accumulated four more: Grainger, Roane, Campbell, and Morgan. A few weeks ago, metro Knoxville was just shy of 700,000. Now it is now about 840,000, a 20 percent jump.
This was from a metropulse article in 2013. Idk if it's right or not, if so, that's a really spread out MSA. How the frick do you justify Roane, Morgan, and Campbell? I think Grainger actually borders Knox Co, but the rest do not.
source article if you want to peruse
Edit: I'm thinking my data might be a tad old...if so, disregard and call me an idiot.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:26 pm to Robert Goulet
The writer may have confused metro with CSA?
NWA metro is 4 counties, although all but about 45k of it is in 2 counties.
NWA metro is 4 counties, although all but about 45k of it is in 2 counties.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:33 pm to wmr
Dat growth 
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:39 pm to Robert Goulet
That makes sense. I went through and tried to find updated numbers on what I would consider to be the Knoxville metro.
Knox county - 450k
Blount county - Nearing 130k
Sevier county - Nearing 100k
Anderson county - 75k
Loudon county - 50k
Possibly Union county?
That number comes out to be right around 800k excluding Union.
The fact that they include Morgan, Roane, Grainger, or Campbell is laughable. I always viewed those as part of the 1.1 million CSA.
Knox county - 450k
Blount county - Nearing 130k
Sevier county - Nearing 100k
Anderson county - 75k
Loudon county - 50k
Possibly Union county?
That number comes out to be right around 800k excluding Union.
The fact that they include Morgan, Roane, Grainger, or Campbell is laughable. I always viewed those as part of the 1.1 million CSA.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:46 pm to wmr
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The writer may have confused metro with CSA?
Very possible. I tried to find something from a .org or .gov but a quick search didn't provide what I was looking for.
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TRUERockyTop
The counties you listed make sense. I'm sure adding those counties had something to do with federal money of some sort. They definitely bring down the per capita avg.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:13 pm to wmr
I'm surprised that Tuscaloosa's growth has slowed.
And as mentioned above, this does seem arbitrary sometimes (CSA vs MSA aside). Tuscaloosa could easily be considered part of the Birmingham-Hoover metro, when you consider how close they all are in proximity. Some of these other metro areas listed are further apart than Tuscaloosa and Birmingham are.
And as mentioned above, this does seem arbitrary sometimes (CSA vs MSA aside). Tuscaloosa could easily be considered part of the Birmingham-Hoover metro, when you consider how close they all are in proximity. Some of these other metro areas listed are further apart than Tuscaloosa and Birmingham are.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:26 pm to CapstoneGrad06
No, it's not arbitrary at all. It correlates to the number of persons in a county who commute to the metro.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:27 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I didn't realize Tuscaloosa and Birmingham are only like 50 miles apart. Yeah, its feasible that Tuscaloosa is grafted into the Birmingham metro at some point. Its just barely outside it right now. 50 miles is enough to separate it without consistent urban areas between Tuscaloosa and the center of the metro.
The center of NWA is probably Lowell or south Rogers. The metro doesn't include any towns that are more than 25 miles or so from that midpoint. The MSA criteria are somewhat arbitrary, but mainly it has to do with daily commerce and employment/commuters.
The center of NWA is probably Lowell or south Rogers. The metro doesn't include any towns that are more than 25 miles or so from that midpoint. The MSA criteria are somewhat arbitrary, but mainly it has to do with daily commerce and employment/commuters.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:29 pm to UMRealist
Oxford movin on up.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 10:47 pm to genro
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Oddly, it includes two counties away, but doesn't include Tuscaloosa which is adjacent
True, but ultimately Tuscaloosa County's population completely revolves around UA. I mean, if UA closed permanently tomorrow, 99.9% of all businesses in Tuscaloosa County would have to as well since they all revolve around the campus. For Tuscaloosa County to be included with Birmingham's MSA, a significant number of commuters would have to be driving every morning from Tuscaloosa to go to work in Birmingham, but the two counties are just not intertwined like that...Tuscaloosa is really essentially its own separate MSA.
That said, I can completely understand the concern from other SEC schools about UA's campus being only a half-hour away by car from the SEC offices.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 11:21 pm to TheDude321
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True, but ultimately Tuscaloosa County's population completely revolves around UA. I mean, if UA closed permanently tomorrow, 99.9% of all businesses in Tuscaloosa County would have to as well since they all revolve around the campus
While the university does employ a lot, plus the number of students(which largely don't count towards the numbers), Tuscaloosa County is home to quite a number of large employers, namely mercedes benz, which employs upwards of 4000, just in that assembly plant. Throw in a very high number of support industries adjacent to and nearby MB, and now you're probably at 10,000 auto employees.
In fact, there a number of people who travel from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa for these jobs. Therefore, I think Birmingham should be included in Tuscaloosas SMSA, not the other way around!
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