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Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:04 pm to Kentucker
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Again, China and India are the main culprits.
Yep. Damn China and India are polluting like crazy. Those are the two main culprits.
Oops.
Our emissions are also out of control. And beyond their financial growth, why have their numbers spiked? Probably because they took over our manufacturing industry.
By no means am I a saint, because I contribute my fair share. But the most dangerous part is deforestation, particularly in the tropical regions. We did our fair share in Pacific northwest. But what's happening in places like Brazil, Indonesia, and other countries with tropical rain forest is devastating ecologically. Those forests are the most productive in the world.
But with 6 billion people in the world, where else is left to farm? Nobody wants to be poor and hungry.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:33 pm to CCTider
One good thing worth noting is that China has finally managed to decouple economic growth from emissions. They have a long way to go but they're finally beginning to focus on efficiency.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:08 pm to Kentucker
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(mainly China and India
you seem to be missing a 'mainly' country
Country CO2 emissions (kt) in 2013
China 10,540,000
United States 5,334,000
European Union 3,415,000
India 2,341,000
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:28 am to Kentucker
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While the earth is trying mightily to process the CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere by humans (mainly China and India), nature may be losing the battle. From the article linked below, the average amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has crossed the 400 ppm mark.
I'm a petroleum engineer, and fully support the use of oil and gas and all that that entails, but this is an issue, one way or another. It has to be addressed. 400 ppm is the highest it has been in at least 800,000 years. Meaning. With VERY sound science we can say that in the past 800,000 years it's floated between 175-300 ppm. Pretty sound trends show a pretty stable sinusoidal trend in that range every 100,000 years or so. Now, these smaller sinusoidal patterns give way to larger sinusoidal patterns, but those are in the millions of year cycles. The science gets a lot harder beyond those ranges, but there is some research that indicates that the CO2 levels haven't been this high in 15 million years.
I really think we need to start devoting some money to carbon sequestration.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:10 pm to CCTider
Your sarcasm is noted. At some point I should have mentioned that China and India are, overall, the worst air polluters and that CO2 is just one of those pollutants.
Mea culpa. As so often happens, the discussion strayed away from the thread title a bit and I didn't keep up.
That said, here is a NASA map showing "'...particulate matter,' also known as particle pollution or PM, a complex mixture of extremely small particles and liquid droplets. Particle pollution is made up of a number of components, including acids (such as nitrates and sulfates), organic chemicals, metals, and soil or dust particles."
Additionally, below is a gif illustrating the rapid increase of PM pollution in India and a significant decline in China from 2005-2015.
So, yes, the U.S. remains a significant contributor to CO2 pollution but is not a major PM polluter.
Regarding the other major greenhouse gas pollutant, methane, here is a NASA map showing its worldwide surface presence:
While air pollution is a worldwide problem, I contend that the single worst area for emissions is South Asia. That's also logical since 40% of the world's population lives in that rapidly developing region.
Mea culpa. As so often happens, the discussion strayed away from the thread title a bit and I didn't keep up.
That said, here is a NASA map showing "'...particulate matter,' also known as particle pollution or PM, a complex mixture of extremely small particles and liquid droplets. Particle pollution is made up of a number of components, including acids (such as nitrates and sulfates), organic chemicals, metals, and soil or dust particles."
Additionally, below is a gif illustrating the rapid increase of PM pollution in India and a significant decline in China from 2005-2015.
So, yes, the U.S. remains a significant contributor to CO2 pollution but is not a major PM polluter.
Regarding the other major greenhouse gas pollutant, methane, here is a NASA map showing its worldwide surface presence:
While air pollution is a worldwide problem, I contend that the single worst area for emissions is South Asia. That's also logical since 40% of the world's population lives in that rapidly developing region.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:30 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I really think we need to start devoting some money to carbon sequestration.
UK has a federal research grant for carbon capture from coal-fired power plants. That's just one of the many ways we'll have to help nature wash CO2 and other air pollutants out of the air. It can't manage that task alone at this point.
Some other schools actively researching carbon sequestration are:
South Carolina
Nebraska
MIT
Stanford
Montana State
Posted on 5/25/16 at 6:30 pm to Kentucker
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While air pollution is a worldwide problem, I contend that the single worst area for emissions is South Asia. That's also logical since 40% of the world's population lives in that rapidly developing region.
Yeah. What the United States does at this point is almost irrelevant. India and China have to lead the way or we are going to be dealing with climate conditions this planet hasn't seen in a hundred million years.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:12 pm to Kentucker
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...is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years...
Proof that "Global Warming" is a hokes. Look at the geologic history of the earth.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:25 pm to LSU Delts
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Proof that "Global Warming" is a hokes. Look at the geologic history of the earth.
As a petroleum engineer I took a few geology courses, but I don't understand your point.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:04 pm to LSU Delts
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Proof that "Global Warming" is a hokes. Look at the geologic history of the earth.
Hoax
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:06 pm to Kentucker
I grow carnivorous plants and I was actually talking with my girlfriend on how they're growing astonishingly fast.
Greater volume, way more traps than our last flock. Mexico City has been absolutely awful with pollution in the last month or two, though. Horrible.
Greater volume, way more traps than our last flock. Mexico City has been absolutely awful with pollution in the last month or two, though. Horrible.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:23 am to Kentucker
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Plants have to have sex, too, I guess.
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No, that's pollen. My sinuses, ears and chest all hurt at this time of year.
Doesn't matter, having sex.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:24 pm to Kentucker
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No, that's pollen. My sinuses, ears and chest all hurt at this time of year.
Plants have to have sex, too, I guess.
Pollen is just plant bukake.
Think about that next time you sneeze.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:38 am to skrayper
If the planet is greening, it only makes sense that a larger number of plants would take in more CO2, and produce oxygen.
People like Al Gore plant a few trees to "offset" their carbon footprint do they not? So if the increase in CO2 levels causes increased plant growth, that alone should put a cap on much of the..ahem..problem.
People like Al Gore plant a few trees to "offset" their carbon footprint do they not? So if the increase in CO2 levels causes increased plant growth, that alone should put a cap on much of the..ahem..problem.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 8:52 am to Kentucker
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Climate scientists are fearful that we're approaching a level that isn't reversible.
LOL......you mean like the hole on the ozone bruh? You realize the ones who need you to believe this lose their jobs if you don't, right?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:28 am to antibarner
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If the planet is greening, it only makes sense that a larger number of plants would take in more CO2, and produce oxygen.
People like Al Gore plant a few trees to "offset" their carbon footprint do they not? So if the increase in CO2 levels causes increased plant growth, that alone should put a cap on much of the..ahem..problem.
Rate of consumption is still like a thing, and the fact that this carbon was stored in the ground(trust me, I've been a part of teams that has helped to extract hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil), means that it was outside of the carbon cycle for a very very very long time.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:31 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Greater volume, way more traps than our last flock. Mexico City has been absolutely awful with pollution in the last month or two, though. Horrible.
The effect of higher CO2 levels on Venus Flytraps and other carnivorous plants is fascinating. The insect population may decline somewhat because of their increased presence.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:38 am to skrayper
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Pollen is just plant bukake.
Think about that next time you sneeze.
Even more graphically, we can say that every human on earth has breathed in the cum of male plants. I like to think that every time I see a politician or religious extremist who gets all pious about sexual mores.
Imagine if humans were like plants. Males would spray their "pollen" into the air and females would open their "flowers" to receive it.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:50 am to antibarner
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So if the increase in CO2 levels causes increased plant growth, that alone should put a cap on much of the..ahem..problem.
But it isn't that simple. CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
In the atmosphere, it reflects heat back to earth. The higher the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air, the more heat is retained.
Plants, and the oceans, are continuously pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. Humans and some natural processes are continuously pumping it into the air.
Presently, the latter process is greater than the former. That's why atmospheric CO2 levels are constantly rising.
Along with rising CO2 levels, humans are putting other pollutants, such as methane which is another powerful greenhouse gas, into the air. That's why average earth temps are rising faster than they would if only natural processes were taking place.
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