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Anybody know anything about Zwarte Piet?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:21 pm
So the Dutch have this tradition where Santa Claus' helper is a black dude named Zwarte Piet, which literally translates to Black Pete. He's a jolly fella and helps Santa get Christmas together and deliver presents. It's a hundreds years old tradition and is almost exclusively portrayed by a white person in black face with painted red lips.
My gf, who is Dutch, and I have been debating about whether or not it's racist and should The tradition be kept or discontinued. What say you, rant?
My gf, who is Dutch, and I have been debating about whether or not it's racist and should The tradition be kept or discontinued. What say you, rant?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:26 pm to Masterag
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My gf, who is Dutch
Post a pic, then we'll address Santa's little helper.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:28 pm to Masterag
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My gf, who is Dutch, and I have been debating about whether or not it's racist
Who cares, do what you want. If people get offended that's their problem.
It's time to take America back and stop worrying about the possibility of people getting upset.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:37 pm to Masterag
I watched a show about that. His helper apparently threw a beating to the bad kids on Christmas .
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:37 pm to Stonehog
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to take America back and stop worrying about the possibility of people getting upset.
That's great and all, but wtf does this have to do with Dutch Santa?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:46 pm to Masterag
I've heard of it, and it seems to be a really big and really old tradition in the Netherlands, so I can't say anything about it. I'm not offended by it, but I can't speak for others.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:11 pm to Masterag
I say we adopt it in America.
Only we won't use White people in black face. We'll use BLM members.
Only we won't use White people in black face. We'll use BLM members.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:16 pm to SavageOrangeJug
How does that make any sense?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:19 pm to Carolina Tide
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How does that make any sense?
My God! They walk among us.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:20 pm to Masterag
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portrayed by a white person in black face with painted red lips.
Maybe he's just the first one down the chimney??
Posted on 11/20/15 at 5:24 pm to SavageOrangeJug
Please, by all means, explain.....
Posted on 11/20/15 at 6:23 pm to Masterag
I say not racist. Someone portraying someone of another race is not racist in itself.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:10 pm to Robert Goulet
If it's ok with Conway Twitty. It's ok with me.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:10 pm to Robert Goulet
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racist. Someone portraying someone of another race is not racist in itself.
Yeah, that's what I initially thought. But they portray him with red lips like the old cartoons here and the whole think seems kinda slave-ish. So I'm currently on the fence.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:27 pm to Masterag
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But they portray him with red lips like the old cartoons here and the whole think seems kinda slave-ish.
I still don't see how thats racist imo. I get that the old minstrels portrayed blacks as dumb and that was wrong, but this seems pretty tame. Europe had a role in the slave trade, slavery was wrong, I just don't see the harm in this.
Not pointing this at you because you seem like a pretty smart dude, but I really think many people today are only offended because they are told they should be offended in many cases.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:28 pm to Edearl Watson
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If it's ok with Conway Twitty. It's ok with me.
I only wish I could pound a quarter of the arse that Harold Jenkins smashed. Monster bush and all.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:38 pm to Hardy_Har
sort of what I was thinking too,except, Santa can't really come down a chimney,so the little guy is the only one that can,and that's why he's black,not because he is African-Dutch.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:40 pm to Robert Goulet
Yeah I get you. It does seem pretty tame and not minstrel like aside from the blackface.
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