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re: Anybody here believe that Reagan and the gov purposely spread the crack epidemic
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:07 pm to BowlJackson
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:07 pm to BowlJackson
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Everybody seems so sure he was directly responsible
No they don't.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:15 pm to AUCatfish
Great song and music video. Not that I agree with Killer Mike on politics or a lot of the messages in that, but I do love a good conspiracy theory every now and then. #AlexJones #InfoWars.com #BillClintonIsARapist
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:28 pm to JustGetItRight
I was really referring to the people in the Facebook post that I referenced in the OP
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:15 am to BowlJackson
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democrat party
Wow. Really? Looks like Rush - with his drug hating ways - has succeeded in making America stupid.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:56 am to BowlJackson
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heroin epidemic
Isn't that mostly being fueled by the feds' crackdown on prescription opiates? "Pain management" doctors' pill mills are being shut down or severely curtailed, so the addicts need to turn to something else.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 6:57 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:00 am to BowlJackson
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I guess the question now becomes what did Reagan and the Republicans have to gain from this?
I have no idea whether Reagan intentionally spread the crack epidemic, but he and the GOP had the same to gain as Nixon did when he started the war on drugs in the first place, to criminalize their political enemies.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:26 am to Nuts4LSU
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as Nixon did when he started the war on drugs in the first place
That's a talking point lots of folks like because it gives them a boogeyman to point at, but it isn't true.
Nixon actually ended federal minimum sentences for marijuana possession. The 'war on drugs' started before the first world war.
Nothing changed in arrests, enforcement, etc until the cocaine epidemic in the 1980s, shortly followed by the crack wars. Those led to enhanced sentences for crack that saw a higher imprisonment rate for black males.
So, I guess you can blame Reagan, but since Democrats held the majority in congress during his tenure (and thus were responsible for the sentencing enhancements) it was a bipartisan effort.
In an interesting aside, the current AG nominee Jeff Sessions who is being portrayed as right of Hitler, started trying to repeal the crack enhancements in 2002 because of the adverse impact it has on black males - but he's a super racist .
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:03 am to Tillman
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in my view, democratic party has more motivation to keep people hooked on drugs
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:23 am to Nuts4LSU
or to make Americans safe.
Democrats want to go soft on crime because the party gets the criminal vote.
Democrats want to go soft on crime because the party gets the criminal vote.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:31 am to Tillman
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or to make Americans safe.
Democrats want to go soft on crime because the party gets the criminal vote.
Right. Just like how the Republican party is trying to exterminate minorities through police death squads because they can't get them to vote for them.
Jesus man. Get a grip. Most people from both sides of the aisles actually have GOOD intentions even if they disagree on what's best for the country.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:46 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Isn't that mostly being fueled by the feds' crackdown on prescription opiates?
Doesn't that play into exactly what I said? The feds are the ones cracking down, so addicts have no choice but to turn to heroin. Meanwhile we're occupying countries who's biggest cash crop are poppies. Seems awfully convenient timing to me...
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:13 pm to BowlJackson
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The feds are the ones cracking down, so addicts have no choice but to turn to heroin.
I thought this, until I spoke to a some addicts.
The crackdown hasn't had nearly as much effect on it as the explosion in demand for the opiates. Supply had only been moderately restricted. Demand has pushed the prices to a level that heroin is a more economical high.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:32 pm to Evolved Simian
Not sure who you know but they seem to have golden connections. Prescription opiates have absolutely gotten much more difficult to get ahold of in the last 3 years or so. I was never full blown ruin my life addict status, but I messed around with prescription drugs on a semi-regular basis from 2011-2016. About 3 years ago I could've called probably a dozen people and who had the highest grade prescriptions on hand almost at all times. That includes multiple older folks who had a monthly prescription for themselves and would sell half of it. If I wanted to get back in that life now I might know one guy. He was basically a king pin back in the day and since the crackdown has been relegated to a middle man. So I would have to call him, he would have to call his guy who may or may not have anything. If he had them I'd have to drive down to the hood and if he didn't have them right away it might be days. Whereas in the past I could've gone down the street to the sweet old lady anytime I felt like it.
Prices as far as I can tell have stayed steady since 2011 when I began. The only reason I would pay more per pill today would be because I'd have to go to a middle man instead of straight to the plug.
I never messed with heroin or had any desire to, but being 25 everybody my age knows several people that have. From what I know heroin has always been the cheaper alternative and this isn't a recent development from the demand of pills or whatever. I used to always hear people say they'd mess with heroin when they didn't have the money for pills. Now days I hear of people going that route because they simply can't get their hands on their pill of choice anymore.
The whole thing is really just sad. Like I said I'm 25, I graduated HS in 2009 and long ago lost track of how many people I knew growing up that have died from heroin overdoses. It seems to just get worse as time goes on as well. It's no longer a surprise when I hear of somebody dying, now it's almost just a matter of time before the next one.
The truly messed up thing is that if it's true that the government has its hand in the heroin business then they stand to profit no matter what your opiate of choice because everybody knows they also have their hands in the pockets of the drug companies.
If the government truly cared then they would be trying to fix it at the root of the problem which is the addiction. Addiction is a disease and deserves to be treated as such. But instead of trying to help people the government just creates harsher laws to "crack down". Now instead of being helped people who are otherwise good people just end up with records and felonies that will follow them and negatively affect them the rest of their lives whether they get clean or not.
Prices as far as I can tell have stayed steady since 2011 when I began. The only reason I would pay more per pill today would be because I'd have to go to a middle man instead of straight to the plug.
I never messed with heroin or had any desire to, but being 25 everybody my age knows several people that have. From what I know heroin has always been the cheaper alternative and this isn't a recent development from the demand of pills or whatever. I used to always hear people say they'd mess with heroin when they didn't have the money for pills. Now days I hear of people going that route because they simply can't get their hands on their pill of choice anymore.
The whole thing is really just sad. Like I said I'm 25, I graduated HS in 2009 and long ago lost track of how many people I knew growing up that have died from heroin overdoses. It seems to just get worse as time goes on as well. It's no longer a surprise when I hear of somebody dying, now it's almost just a matter of time before the next one.
The truly messed up thing is that if it's true that the government has its hand in the heroin business then they stand to profit no matter what your opiate of choice because everybody knows they also have their hands in the pockets of the drug companies.
If the government truly cared then they would be trying to fix it at the root of the problem which is the addiction. Addiction is a disease and deserves to be treated as such. But instead of trying to help people the government just creates harsher laws to "crack down". Now instead of being helped people who are otherwise good people just end up with records and felonies that will follow them and negatively affect them the rest of their lives whether they get clean or not.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:05 pm to hogfly
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vote for them.
Jesus man. Get a grip. Most people from both sides of the aisles actually have GOOD intentions even if they disagree on what's best for the country.
i note how you make this point to me on a thread topic in which a democrat accuses a Republican president of spreading the crack epidemic. you had no lecture for that person. lol
it is a fact that Democrats are softer on crime. it is not a conspiracy theory such as Reagan wanted to spread crack.
show me all these liberal Democrats who think GOP wnats what is best for this country. lol basically all they do is accuse us of racism, sexism, hating the poor, etc.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:09 pm to BowlJackson
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I'm curious to hear the argument behind this one. Somebody please explain why you believe this.
Here's a link to George Washington University's National Security Archive page with documentation on claims of the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking. Read the evidence yourself and make your own judgment as to its reliability.
The problem with evaluating any alleged conspiracy by the CIA (and to some extent, the FBI) is that they have actually been involved in many conspiracies that would seem far-fetched if we didn't have concrete proof for them. Examples of this include MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Operation Mockingbird, and Operation Large Area Coverage. BTW, each of the events I just listed involved operations on U.S. soil. We'd crack open a whole other can of worms discussing CIA operations in foreign countries that went far beyond "spying."
It's sad to see this being discussed in partisan terms. I'm afraid that we've entered an era where many people will believe absolutely anything about the opposite political party regardless of how little proof there might be, but won't accept any wrongdoing on behalf of the party they support, no matter how strong the documentation is.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:55 pm to BowlJackson
Yes.
No.
Can you repeat the question?
No.
Can you repeat the question?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:02 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:It's mostly tillwood. and he's an idiot
It's sad to see this being discussed in partisan terms.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:17 pm to BowlJackson
You do know he is just quoting the scene in the original Godfather with Brando.
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