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Anybody here believe that Reagan and the gov purposely spread the crack epidemic
Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:56 pm
I'm curious to hear the argument behind this one. Somebody please explain why you believe this.
I have a radical left jazz musician friend from New Orleans who posted a Facebook status challenging people to explain why Ronald Reagan was a good president. The post quickly devolved into a circle jerking of hating on white people (even though he is white) and very serious claims that Reagan and the government purposely spread crack into black ghettos.
I wasn't alive when Reagan was in office so it's hard for me to have an using licenced opinion and I don't want to cause a shite storm by asking about the crack, so I didn't chime in.
I've heard this claim before, but always thought it was more of a joke. These people were dead serious and seemed genuinely upset about it. So I genuinely want to know some tangible reasons behind this belief?
Also for those true believers, would it be fair to assume that the heroin epidemic that has plagued the white community was purposely spread by Barack Obama and his administration? Heroin use and overdoses conveniently began to skyrocket right about the time Obama took office in 2008. I've seen multiple comments on facebook recently by black people stating that the heroin epidemic is payback for the crack epidemic. If the claim abut crack is true then that would make sense ...
I have a radical left jazz musician friend from New Orleans who posted a Facebook status challenging people to explain why Ronald Reagan was a good president. The post quickly devolved into a circle jerking of hating on white people (even though he is white) and very serious claims that Reagan and the government purposely spread crack into black ghettos.
I wasn't alive when Reagan was in office so it's hard for me to have an using licenced opinion and I don't want to cause a shite storm by asking about the crack, so I didn't chime in.
I've heard this claim before, but always thought it was more of a joke. These people were dead serious and seemed genuinely upset about it. So I genuinely want to know some tangible reasons behind this belief?
Also for those true believers, would it be fair to assume that the heroin epidemic that has plagued the white community was purposely spread by Barack Obama and his administration? Heroin use and overdoses conveniently began to skyrocket right about the time Obama took office in 2008. I've seen multiple comments on facebook recently by black people stating that the heroin epidemic is payback for the crack epidemic. If the claim abut crack is true then that would make sense ...
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:58 pm to BowlJackson
they purposefully helped cocaine flood the intercities when crack was first "invented", this is pretty much fact
it's not unreasonable to think the CIA is doing the same thing in regards to the comparisons to the crack epidemic. War in an area known for a specific drug, Local opposition(Same side as US) has vested interested in drug trade, Locals need money to support war, said drug supply later skyrockets
As far as payback, that is actually far fetched
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would it be fair to assume that the heroin epidemic that has plagued the white community was purposely spread by Barack Obama and his administration? Heroin use and overdoses conveniently began to skyrocket right about the time Obama took office in 2008. I've seen multiple comments on facebook recently by black people stating that the heroin epidemic is payback for the crack epidemic. If the claim abut crack is true then that would make sense ...
it's not unreasonable to think the CIA is doing the same thing in regards to the comparisons to the crack epidemic. War in an area known for a specific drug, Local opposition(Same side as US) has vested interested in drug trade, Locals need money to support war, said drug supply later skyrockets
As far as payback, that is actually far fetched
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:47 pm to NYCAuburn
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they purposefully helped cocaine flood the intercities when crack was first "invented", this is pretty much fact
Do you have anything to back this up? That's what I'm asking for. I've heard the claims, what I haven't heard is what makes it "pretty much fact"
Are you also of the opinion that the government invented crack? If they didn't invent it "only" allowed a flood of cocaine then I'm not really mad about that. Cocaine by itself isn't nearly close to as dangerous as your 5th grade DARE officer would have you believe. Honestly I believe it should be legal right along with weed, because if produced in a sterile lab environment subject to the standards of the FDA and was used in moderation then it wouldn't be any more harmful than the average energy drink.
What you said about the heroin epidemic makes a ton of sense btw
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:48 pm to BowlJackson
You.... you got any of that crack for sale?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:52 pm to Rebelgator
doesn't seem likely the tough on crime party spread the crack epidemic.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:03 pm to Rebelgator
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:05 pm to BowlJackson
google is your friend. you can start with wikipedia. PBS has a good doc online.
as with anything involving the CIA hard proof is hard to come by
as with anything involving the CIA hard proof is hard to come by
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:07 pm to MIZ_COU
in my view, democratic party has more motivation to keep people hooked on drugs and keep them in poverty, b/c then those people will be more dependent on government.
democrat party's immigration policy is to flood country with low skilled uneducated people who will then make it tougher for native low skill poor people to get a job, and also suppress wages. Democrats know if they make this country 3rd world with so many poor people, Democrat party will have perpetual power.
democrat party's immigration policy is to flood country with low skilled uneducated people who will then make it tougher for native low skill poor people to get a job, and also suppress wages. Democrats know if they make this country 3rd world with so many poor people, Democrat party will have perpetual power.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:07 pm to BowlJackson
I think the CIA has had an outrageously large budget for a very long time they absolutely do not need and they operated many ridiculous project of subterfuge because of it.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:13 pm to BowlJackson
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Do you have anything to back this up? That's what I'm asking for. I've heard the claims, what I haven't heard is what makes it "pretty much fact"
Are you also of the opinion that the government invented crack? If they didn't invent it "only" allowed a flood of cocaine then I'm not really mad about that. Cocaine by itself isn't nearly close to as dangerous as your 5th grade DARE officer would have you believe. Honestly I believe it should be legal right along with weed, because if produced in a sterile lab environment subject to the standards of the FDA and was used in moderation then it wouldn't be any more harmful than the average energy drink.
What you said about the heroin epidemic makes a ton of sense btw
The problem with cocaine is once you start doing it, you really don't want to stop. If they could dilute it to such a degree that you couldn't do a frick ton of it... maybe... but then people would always know about the real thing. And doing a frick ton of good cocaine will always be really fun and inherently dangerous. I guess the same thing can be said for alcohol. Iunno. I don't think Carrie Fischer is dead because of doing stuff to the equivalent of energy drinks. Her heart exploded because she did a frick ton of cocaine.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:16 pm to Tillman
quote:as useful as it usually is
in my view
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:17 pm to MIZ_COU
says a leftwinger with kook conspiracy theories from WIkipeida and PBS.
anybody believe GOP spread crack epidemic went full kook. never go full kook.
anybody believe GOP spread crack epidemic went full kook. never go full kook.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:18 pm to BowlJackson
Afrocentrists have some whackjob beliefs.
Will Smith claimed the CIA put weaponry into the inner cities and started the crack epidemic.
I had a black roommate once who was a complete POS who believed sincerely that AIDS was created by the government.
Will Smith claimed the CIA put weaponry into the inner cities and started the crack epidemic.
I had a black roommate once who was a complete POS who believed sincerely that AIDS was created by the government.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:19 pm to Tillman
you were born full of cock, and yet you still try to cram more in there
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
I know that the CIA experimented with LSD in the 50's trying to find truth serums and mind control for manchurian candidates. Although those were small scale experiments with individuals it is proof positive that the government is willing to use drugs to manipulate civilians.
I guess the question now becomes what did Reagan and the Republicans have to gain from this?
Everybody seems so sure he was directly responsible but I could see the security agencies and the military going over the presidents head with something like this and Reagan jusy having been unfortunate enough to have been the sitting president at the time.
I guess the question now becomes what did Reagan and the Republicans have to gain from this?
Everybody seems so sure he was directly responsible but I could see the security agencies and the military going over the presidents head with something like this and Reagan jusy having been unfortunate enough to have been the sitting president at the time.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:23 pm to BowlJackson
It was part of the whole North contra thing. Sell drugs buy guns. Reagan always claimed he knew nothing (what didn't he know and when didn't he know it). In Reagan's case I totally believe that.
Lot's of smoke. Nothing you can prove
Lot's of smoke. Nothing you can prove
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:30 pm to BowlJackson
So many government conspiracies, so little time.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
I've done a frick ton of cocaine in my day and never binged longer than a weekend. Cocaine is one of the least addictive drugs I've tried IMO. Sure once I get a baggie and start doing lines I don't want to stop until my stash is done, but once it's done and the fun is over its not something I Jones for uncontrollably. These days I rarely do anything, don't even drink a beer often, but if I went out tonight and did a bunch of coke and smoked a bunch of weed then tomorrow the weed is what I'll be jonesing for. And I have an addictive personality with a small history of addiction in my family so I am susceptible to it. To me addiction is like when you come down off opiates and your body physically aches and you get sick.
Regarding carrie fisher, I did state that "I'm moderation" It's not overly harmful. Nothing is good to binge on, not even water. Alcohol is legal and okay when used responsibly, but if not it'll kill you just as fast as any other drug and be just as addictive. I'm not sure why we trust people to be adults about alcohol but nothing else. Hell, too much caffeine will make your heart explode just the same as too much cocaine. Guess drugs are socially acceptable as long as you drink them instead of put it up your nose
Regarding carrie fisher, I did state that "I'm moderation" It's not overly harmful. Nothing is good to binge on, not even water. Alcohol is legal and okay when used responsibly, but if not it'll kill you just as fast as any other drug and be just as addictive. I'm not sure why we trust people to be adults about alcohol but nothing else. Hell, too much caffeine will make your heart explode just the same as too much cocaine. Guess drugs are socially acceptable as long as you drink them instead of put it up your nose
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:55 pm to MIZ_COU
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Reagan always claimed he knew nothing (what didn't he know and when didn't he know it). In Reagan's case I totally believe that.
That might be plausible IF the boland amendment wasn't amended 3 times to specifically ban what we were doing there.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:56 pm to BowlJackson
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Do you have anything to back this up? That's what I'm asking for. I've heard the claims, what I haven't heard is what makes it "pretty much fact"
Read up on the contras and CIA.
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Government invented crack
No, some drug dealers did.
The government knew and allowed the coke to flow to the same people that directly caused the crack epidemic. It was monetarily movtivated for another cause.
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