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Answers regarding matter in neutron stars are on the way.

Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:01 am
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:01 am
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"Launching June 1, the Neutron Star Interior Composition Explorer (NICER) will be installed aboard the space station as the first mission dedicated to studying neutron stars, a type of collapsed star that is so dense scientists are unsure how matter behaves deep inside it."

"A neutron star begins its life as a star between about seven and 20 times the mass of our sun. When this type of star runs out of fuel, it collapses under its own weight, crushing its core and triggering a supernova explosion. What remains is an ultra-dense sphere only about 12 miles (20 kilometers) across, the size of a city, but with up to twice the mass of our sun squeezed inside. On Earth, one teaspoon of neutron star matter would weigh a billion tons."

These stars hold more of my interest than any astronomical body in the cosmos. It is mindblowing to think about how matter behaves at this density and absurd amount of pressure. I am happy to know that this mission will happen in a month.
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 9:07 am
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:11 am to
I remember this "factoid" from a physics class: A sample of a neutron star the size of a sugar cube has a mass equivalent to Mt. Everest and, if somehow placed on the earth's surface would sink to the planet's core.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:26 am to
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mass equivalent to Mt. Everest


It is difficult to even imagine how that is possible. Strange matter indeed but I guess that is another subject.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:13 am to
On the way? I'll tell you about matter in neutron stars right now: Black lives matter.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:38 am to
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It is difficult to even imagine how that is possible. Strange matter indeed but I guess that is another subject.


Matter is made up of mostly empty space. When I learned that I could understand how gravity can cause super-dense objects such as black holes and neutron stars.

It also helps in understanding String Theory. Strings are trillions of times smaller than atoms and form the basis for everything. Gravity affects even them so it's logical that the Universe originated from a point where the density at the String level must have been unimaginable.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:28 pm to
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Black lives matter.

That's dark matter
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/27/17 at 3:23 pm to
Commander

I appreciate these type of post. Space is really fascinating to me, although I do not know enough to have an intelligent conversation about some of these topics, they have inspired me to read more and learn more.

The Neutron Star topic has heloed me pass some time today reading about them while watching the SEC BB tournament
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:02 pm to
Glad to help. I honestly only developed my interest in how the universe works a few years ago. Ironically, it was a show about stars that kick started it when I found out about neutron stars. I am not mathematically inclined enough to have made a career out of it but it's a worthwhile hobby educating myself with other people's hard work.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:18 pm to
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I am not mathematically inclined enough


Math isn't necessary to understand the concepts of physics. In fact, the greatest physicist of all time struggled with math and had his assistants do most of it for him. Rather, Einstein used thought experiments to hash out his fantastic theories.

Of course that isn't to say that math isn't crucial to exploration. It certainly is and helps modern physicists "see" that which is unseeable, such as strings. Some geniuses such as Edward Witten, the father of the unified String Theory, are so unbelievably skilled in math that it's another language for them. He used it to show that the five competing string theories of the 1990s were actually just five versions of the same thing! Unbelievable. Such a mind.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 5/28/17 at 5:01 am to
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Math isn't necessary to understand the concepts of physics.


I guess you are right. I have a pretty good understanding of how the universe works at the macroscopic level thanks to other brilliant men and women and I am currently studying how things work at the quantum level. I do wish I could go back to school and learn complex geometry and other mathematical skills though. Physicists can predict the orbit of planets using math and they even predicted the location of the undiscovered Neptune with it.

I admit to not seeing the big picture of string theory or maybe I should say the very small picture. I still struggle to believe that everything is just vibrations of little strings and just because the math of the theory incorporates gravity into the picture doesn't mean it's true. I can't see how the theory could possibly be tested so we are forced to accept in on faith alone and that's hard for me.

Maybe you could suggest some research material that would help me out with the issue. I would appreciate it. I have an open mind even if it is stubborn.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 5/28/17 at 11:55 am to
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I do wish I could go back to school and learn complex geometry and other mathematical skills though.


"School" is redefined in the 21st century. It's now available from your keyboard. I attend the World Science University, for example. You choose the level and pace at which you want to learn.

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I admit to not seeing the big picture of string theory or maybe I should say the very small picture. I still struggle to believe that everything is just vibrations of little strings


Very few people can grasp String Theory. It's beyond even the quantum world and, we must remember, is an unproved concept at this time. It's support comes exclusively from mathematics right now but that's so strong that it's almost inconceivable that it could be spurious.

I find it helpful to avoid anthropomorphism as much as possible when studying science. For example, I don't think in terms of believing, beliefs, faith or any other quasi-religious terms that indicate an acceptance without evidence.

Science either is or is not. Something exists or it doesn't. The scientist accepts something based only upon evidence. This evidence must be observable, else it remains in the realm of philosophy, or study.

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just because the math of the theory incorporates gravity into the picture doesn't mean it's true.


I don't understand what you mean here.

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I can't see how the theory could possibly be tested so we are forced to accept in on faith alone and that's hard for me.


No one can right now but this is a common problem in science. We couldn't detect dark matter or dark energy either until we learned to look for indirect evidence for them, such as their observable effects upon galaxies. I'm confident we'll do this for strings as well.

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Maybe you could suggest some research material that would help me out with the issue. I would appreciate it. I have an open mind even if it is stubborn.


I don't know the level of science studies you have from high school or college but I can recommend my favorite physics "public educator," Brian Greene. His books and online courses are great and, like World Science U, he teaches to different levels of interest. There are many others like him but I just find his style interesting and understandable.

As for research, there's plenty of that available, too. Even the projects at the Large Hadron Collider can be followed online. The problem here for us lay people, however, is that those professional physicists speak in their jargon and very advanced math. It's very difficult to follow and can be understood only through a "translator" such as Dr. Greene.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 5/28/17 at 6:15 pm to
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don't understand what you mean here.


I mean that one reason the theory is so popular is because gravity is explained at this level because of the 10 or more dimensions. The math adds up. No other theory can explain gravity other than relativity but of course that only accounts for the macroscopic level. Quantum theory may never find their graviton.

Concerning the large hadron collider, I have been reading their work for a couple of months now. Good stuff and lots of material.

Thanks for your other suggestions, I look forward to checking them. I really appreciate it.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 5/28/17 at 10:09 pm to
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I mean that one reason the theory is so popular is because gravity is explained at this level because of the 10 or more dimensions.


Okay, I gotcha. Well, it sort of explains one puzzling aspect of gravity, why it's such a weak force. If it's a force at all, that is. That's still very much up in the air.

The two competing thoughts about gravity are that it's a fundamental force, which used to be almost universally accepted, or an effect of space/time. This latter view has arisen because of the failure to find the carrier of gravity, the graviton.

If gravity truly is one of four forces, then it, like the other three, must have a carrier. This classic view of gravity is eroding both because the graviton can't be located and because of the seemingly absurd idea that a force can be exerted across the entire Universe. The other three forces are extremely local so it's a strong departure from a force pattern for gravity to be so far reaching.

So some physicists are beginning, largely because of String Theory, to associate it with space/time via the 10 dimensions you mentioned. We got our first proof of space/time's materialistic existence in 2012 when the LHC was used to find the Higgs boson. That confirmed the existence of the Higgs Field, which assigns mass to particles. The field may also regulate gravity. Exciting stuff will continue to come from the LHC.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 10:48 pm
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