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A College Degree vs Learning a Trade.

Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:55 pm
Posted by partsman103
Member since Sep 2008
8087 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:55 pm
What is more valuable in your opinion?

I ask because our 21yr old decided to pass on attending a 4yr University and opted to learn the trade of becoming a welder.

After HS graduation he hired on as an apprentice at a fab shop where he was going to learn CNC machining. After about a month on the job he had asked about learning to weld as well. He was given the opportunity and took to it like a fish to water. Even enrolled in some classes at a community college at night. After 2 1/2 years of working at the fab shop he landed a job with a government contractor as a welder journeyman. Now at age 21, he will pull in a 6 figure income doing what he loves which is what brought on the thought of Degree vs Trade.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:01 pm to
Nothing wrong with welding, just remember most high paying welding jobs are union and he will probably travel the world for work and sit on his arse a lot waiting for the next contract.

Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
13828 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:05 pm to
I think that we, as a society, have put too much value on "education". If the formal education is to acquire a particular skill set required for a job (law, medicine, engineering, etc.), that's fine. The problem is that we now have too many liberal arts degrees in bullshite subjects. I have a cousin that has multiple Bachelor's Degrees and multiple Master's Degrees that hasn't done much with her life relative to her formal education. She gets pissed that guys can be welders, plumbers, and electricians and make more money than her when she has more "education". If your boy likes what he's doing and it's paying the bills, then good for him. Better than taking some job that he hates in a cubicle for $50K with a degree.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 7:29 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55437 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:37 pm to
You should get your son this book:

Shop Class as Soulcraft
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21084 posts
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:46 pm to
You just wanted to brag about your son's income.
Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
2917 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:00 am to
quote:

What is more valuable in your opinion?


I used to work in the specialty welding arena in sales, spent plenty of time in power and also manufacturing. My brother is a pipeline certified welder and journeyman boilermaker. There is indeed great money to be made in this craft.

Sounds like he's been doing well so far. It's easy to get into welding and there will never be a shortage of low-level newbies... so I would specialize, specialize, and specialize some more. The big money lies in travel and being able to do welding (or be certified) in areas that are rare. Pipeline, underwater, and specialty hi-tech welding is all growing and in demand. Plain steel shop maintenance is not. A willingness to travel would be a huge plus. If he's young, it would be a great chance to see parts of the world not open to tourists and normal visitors.


But you and he already know this.

IMHO, a huge next step would be to continue welding... and go back to college at the same time if at all possible. A background in welding is HUGE in metallurgy or welding engineering. Just take your average mechanical engineer... believe it or not, most of them come out of college not knowing a bit about welding. I was talking to one student that had a low GPA (2.5ish) and couldn't qualify for a lot of the co-op positions. I told him to make his own intern position.... Go to visit a few fab shops and offer to sweep the floors for nothing after classes in college. Watch. Learn. Ask as many questions as you can. that's the sort of knowledge that most mechanical engineers come out of college not knowing. I myself was really really green for my first job out of school was at a manufacturing plant (I co-oped in electrical at a power plant). Within a handful of months, they put me over the maintenance guys and the vast majority of work we did was mechanical and welding. If I had a basic knowledge of welding (I didn't at that time) my job performance would have been MUCH better.

Anyway, congrats to your son. Best of luck.
Posted by DragginFly
Under the Mountain;By the Lake
Member since Oct 2014
3592 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:22 am to
When TSHTF (and it probably will in his lifetime), nobody will care what sheepskin is tacked on his wall.
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
9999 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:27 am to
I wouldn't say either is "more valuable", but I have always been a proponent of the trades. There is quite a vacuum for skilled labor right now as that generation are starting to retire and as Tantal said, we have been told for so long that you have to get a degree to avoid flipping burgers that the lot of these trades have been marginalized when they are really good careers. I also think the decline in labor unions has some to do with this, but that is a subject for another day.
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16316 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:54 am to
Depends on the degree and depends on the trade. Is an electrician's license or A&P mechanic cert more valuable than a mechanical engineering degree with the possibility for a master's? frick no. Is it more valuable than a philosophy/art/history/English degree? frick YES.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 6:06 am to
quote:

A background in welding is HUGE in metallurgy or welding engineering.


Oh lawd, you're trying to get him steered into Comer Hall making those little metal elephants aren't you?

I also agree with you.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 6:36 am to
Good for your son. If he found a job he loves and is good at, thats all a parent can ask for. College is not the only route to take.

My dad always said be the best at something. The best at anything will get paid.
Posted by KTownRebel
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2014
2854 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:00 am to
I ended up getting a CDL and driving trucks. Drank too much at Georgia Southern to finish. Tfw. Finally making some dece t money now though. No bully
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
57002 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:17 am to
depends on the college degree. Trades apprenticing and trade degrees offer you usually easy to find work in most locations around the country, where as a lot of degrees dont offer that.

Lower ceiling on income with a trade and its usually more manual in nature.

My family owns a few trade schools and have had quite a few graduates over the years, Id say the vast majority of them, sans low-lifes, have not looked back since obtaining trade degree.

Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:19 am to
quote:

I ended up getting a CDL and driving trucks.


Good on ya. Thats a good honest hard working living. I have been in international transportation and logistics for 30+ years. Great respect for those that move the freight.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118856 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 7:39 am to
You can make a lot of money in a trade field. The trick is to be honest and hard working, and fix any issues your customers have.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40851 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:18 am to
quote:

The trick is to be honest and hard working, and fix any issues your customers have.


I would say you should be doing this in any job regardless of what it is.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:26 am to
Depends on the person. For some, a college degree, for others learning a trade. College isn't for everyone, and working a trade isn't for everyone.
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:46 am to
College is not for everyone. There is nothing wrong with seeking a trade.
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:48 am to
Double post
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 8:49 am
Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
Swagosphere
Member since Jan 2014
9364 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 8:52 am to
Sounds like you're not asking us, just tell us your opinion and talking about your son's income. Congrats to the kid, though. It's hard to make that kind of money with just a high school degree.
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