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Posted on 4/4/14 at 5:10 pm to semotruman
Then who do you want playing the 5 next year? More Rosburg? Post? They're both terrible. It's not like he put someone in the ICU, they didn't get hurt a bit. Any competent lawyer will get him off with a low misdemeanor max. You guys are nuts for wanting him kicked off the team so bad.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 6:13 pm to mosoblkcougar
Is he really that good? Seriously asking. All I could do was look at his numbers and he only averaged just over 11 points in high school. At Louisville, he averaged 1.3 points. Maybe he's a solid defender, but just looking at it, I don't see where he's a world beater. I could be way wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. I will even admit, I might feel different if this were someone who had already been at Mizzou for 3 years, like a English. As it is though, because I care so little about him I'd just as soon not have the headaches.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:13 pm to mosoblkcougar
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Then who do you want playing the 5 next year? More Rosburg? Post? They're both terrible. It's not like he put someone in the ICU, they didn't get hurt a bit. Any competent lawyer will get him off with a low misdemeanor max. You guys are nuts for wanting him kicked off the team so bad.
Probably some tall guys getting out of prison or rehab somewhere who could score more than 1.8. Let's go get em.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:33 pm to reedus23
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Is he really that good? I will even admit, I might feel different if this were someone who had already been at Mizzou for 3 years, like a English. As it is though, because I care so little about him I'd just as soon not have the headaches.
Reedus, you confuse me a lot with your posts. Why play a higher standard card on the kid and then act like if he was really good or had been here longer you would treat him different? How about fair and consistent? If he has a felony, he will be gone. If it is all a misdemeanor, he will get a suspension. If he has had other trouble and has exhausted his strikes, he will be gone. IDK the situation but this is the only problem with Price I can remember.
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Thugs gonna thug I guess. Price needs to go. End of story.
Semo, if college kids getting in fights, damaging property, smoking weed, and not paying rent are thugging it up and some need to be gone - I am curious what you were thinking just a few years ago when we had players getting accused of rape, getting DUIs, getting shot in the ankle during fights, pulling shotguns on people, etc? You must have been wanting to shut down the program.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:11 pm to Tigersessed
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Tigersessed
Chasing people down is planned behavior. Ramming their car is assault with a deadly weapon. Hitting them is also assault. We have 2 incidents in less than 24 hours. That goes way beyond a heat-of-the-moment fight, it was planned assaults. Plural. Based on what we've heard, and the bails that were set, I'm guessing he's facing felonies. So yeah, he should be gone, IMO.
As far as then other things you mentioned, my positions have always been pretty clear. I have no tolerance for sexual assault, or felonies. I also have no patience with guys who are a cancer in the locker room. Those are the reasons I would boot a player. In this case, I can't imagine Price is going to bet along in the locker room, and these will likely be felony charges. If it ends up as misdemeanors, I'd still lean toward dismissal for the locker room cancer reason.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:22 pm to semotruman
You seem to know more about the details on this than I have seen. I thought the car was blocked in and damaged at the same time the fight broke out? It is the fact that the complaints were done at separate times and he was arrested hours apart not that he planned different events hours apart? Or am I mistaken? Please let me know how far the chase went and how long it lasted. I have not seen those details. Also how hard did he ram the car and how much damage was done? I have not seen that either. Thanks.
What has he done to be a cancer in the locker room? I have not seen any of those stories either. I am just trying to get brought up to speed.
What has he done to be a cancer in the locker room? I have not seen any of those stories either. I am just trying to get brought up to speed.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:34 pm to Tigersessed
None of us really know. We can only go by what's been published. It seems reasonable to say that there was a dispute, and a car chase, and car's were hit. I don't think there was a charge of assault with a deadly weapon was there?
Anyway that just seems way over the line, no matter the reason for the dispute.
Given that he hasn't been kicked off it seems Haith is going to let this play out legally. If he get's convicted of a felony he's gone otherwise not.
Anyway that just seems way over the line, no matter the reason for the dispute.
Given that he hasn't been kicked off it seems Haith is going to let this play out legally. If he get's convicted of a felony he's gone otherwise not.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:38 pm to MIZ_COU
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None of us really know.
I agree with this.
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Haith is going to let this play out legally
I agree with this.
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If he get's convicted of a felony he's gone otherwise not.
I agree with this.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:42 pm to Tigersessed
What about the over the line part? Just curious.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:47 pm to MIZ_COU
I don't know enough of the details. If he pulled into a parking lot and caught his "roommate" and his "girlfriend" in a car and he barely hit their car with his and he pushed the gf in the heat of the moment and punched his roommate once, then all of the details published would be correct but not nearly as bad as-
He chased them for block after block and rammed their car at 20 mph. He went after his gf, hurting her multiple times and then beat the hell out of his roommate.
I will tell you if I find out what kind of situation it was.
He chased them for block after block and rammed their car at 20 mph. He went after his gf, hurting her multiple times and then beat the hell out of his roommate.
I will tell you if I find out what kind of situation it was.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:59 pm to Tigersessed
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I don't know enough of the details.
Yeah I don't either from what's been published. As the news reports have settled down a little (and given how sensationalized the news is) I can tell I can tell he followed them in a car, blocked them in, and hit the guy once and pushed the girl down. More than one report says the girl tried to mace him. Weather a car was hit, and by whom hasn't been made clear.
I also don't know if he is a problem in the locker room or has done this before but I can't find anything that say's that.
ASSUMING this is the extent of it, he's not been a problem before he's probably not going to wind up with a felony and I'm not ready to say that he needs to forfeit his future over it. Anger management and a short leash seems more appropriate. But like you said I don't know enough to tell.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:55 pm to Tigersessed
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Reedus, you confuse me a lot with your posts. Why play a higher standard card on the kid and then act like if he was really good or had been here longer you would treat him different? How about fair and consistent? If he has a felony, he will be gone. If it is all a misdemeanor, he will get a suspension. If he has had other trouble and has exhausted his strikes, he will be gone. IDK the situation but this is the only problem with Price I can remember.
I was admitting my shortcomings. Fully admitted it's a double standard and not necessarily fair. Still doesn't change the fact that I have no attachment to Price and therefore it probably takes less for me to be willing to say goodbye. It's kind of like breaking up with a gal after 1 date as opposed to one you dated for 3 years.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:02 pm to Tigersessed
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You seem to know more about the details on this than I have seen. I thought the car was blocked in and damaged at the same time the fight broke out? It is the fact that the complaints were done at separate times and he was arrested hours apart not that he planned different events hours apart? Or am I mistaken? Please let me know how far the chase went and how long it lasted. I have not seen those details. Also how hard did he ram the car and how much damage was done? I have not seen that either. Thanks.
What I recall finally being reported is that he chased and rammed their car. Ross and girl filed a report. Later (might have been the next day) Price followed Ross and girl again, blocking them in with his vehicle, punched Ross in the face and pushed girl down. Price was arrested for this incident. The cops subsequently arrested him for the initial incident involving the ramming of his vehicle. Two separate incidents over a long period of time. I don't know how long or how far he chased them down on either occasion but suffice it to say he had plenty of time to reflect on his actions on both occasions before acting them out.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:03 pm to Tigersessed
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I don't know enough of the details. If he pulled into a parking lot and caught his "roommate" and his "girlfriend" in a car and he barely hit their car with his and he pushed the gf in the heat of the moment and punched his roommate once, then all of the details published would be correct but not nearly as bad as-
He chased them for block after block and rammed their car at 20 mph. He went after his gf, hurting her multiple times and then beat the hell out of his roommate.
My guess (and it's just a guess) is that it's probably somewhere in between.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:30 am to reedus23
quote:That's the thing. We really don't know. We may just have to wait for them to sort it out.
My guess (and it's just a guess) is that it's probably somewhere in between.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Tigersessed
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if college kids getting in fights, damaging property, smoking weed, and not paying rent are thugging it up and some need to be gone - I am curious what you were thinking just a few years ago when we had players getting accused of rape, getting DUIs, getting shot in the ankle during fights, pulling shotguns on people, etc? You must have been wanting to shut down the program.
The athletic program of a state university shouldn't be a halfway house or a military academy. There's thousands and thousands of athletes who manage to make it through college without raping people or getting $2700 behind on rent or getting arrested for drugs or DUI. Lowering our expectations just means that the athletes will continue to lower their standards of behavior.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 2:06 pm to the808bass
I can understand the sense of betrayal Price felt when he found his girl friend and Roomate/teammate together ( assuming that is the case) but one has to have have the common sense that flying out of control enough to get arrested means you have fkd up. To do it again is beyond stupid. Price has risked his scholarship and possibly his D1 career. Best case for Price is that he is on a short leash and any problem and he is gone.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 3:36 pm to the808bass
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The athletic program of a state university shouldn't be a halfway house or a military academy. There's thousands and thousands of athletes who manage to make it through college without raping people or getting $2700 behind on rent or getting arrested for drugs or DUI. Lowering our expectations just means that the athletes will continue to lower their standards of behavior.
You are correct. You do not lower your expectations, you set them and then fairly and consistently enforce them. For college athletes they will have a code of conduct that covers everything you mentioned. When people frick up, whether it is a one time big deal or an accumulation of problems, it should be addressed accordingly. Please let me know all of the examples that Mizzou and/or its coaches have failed this and need to improve.
Also your expectations need to be reasonable and attainable. Setting your expectation at some utopian concept that college kids should never get in trouble will just set you up for disappointment. That level of success in recruiting will never be reached by any school.
The worse meme of Mizzou message boards over the last 2 years is the idea that if you are not demanding change then you are settling for mediocrity. It is like a bunch of posters read a management style story in one of those magazines placed in the back of airline seats.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 3:38 pm to reedus23
I read several of his HS scouting reports when he committed. He was described as being an elite defender and shot blocker. He was said to be a solid rebounder and had a good not great back to the basket game. It said he would be a solid 4 year player and would need to work on his offense,but his shot blocking and defense might allow him to see early playing time. Obviously that didn't happen as he was behind Dieng and others at Louisville, but he should be better than what we have now.
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