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wiBO will be judged with Division Championships. Not W-L.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:16 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 3:16 am
Sounds simple, I know.
I remember when GP was going to be judged by wins and losses, and a hope for bowl games.
He set the bar higher for MU football, wiBO is going to be judged by division championships and double digit win seasons.
Now, before you go all sandiegp on me, hear me out. GP came in with a standard and raised it, but to be honest 6-6 or 7-5 would have been great considering what he inherited.
wiBO inherited a standard too, double digit win seasons and division championships. This makes his margin of error much slimmer.
I'll go on record as saying he'll never meet the demands as set by his predecessor.
Mizzou wins the East again in 19 or 20, but wiBO will not be the coach of said east champ.
I think he's a good coach, but the pressures of the SEC will wear on Sterk. The next coach does real work with wiBOs recruits.
Mark it down.
I remember when GP was going to be judged by wins and losses, and a hope for bowl games.
He set the bar higher for MU football, wiBO is going to be judged by division championships and double digit win seasons.
Now, before you go all sandiegp on me, hear me out. GP came in with a standard and raised it, but to be honest 6-6 or 7-5 would have been great considering what he inherited.
wiBO inherited a standard too, double digit win seasons and division championships. This makes his margin of error much slimmer.
I'll go on record as saying he'll never meet the demands as set by his predecessor.
Mizzou wins the East again in 19 or 20, but wiBO will not be the coach of said east champ.
I think he's a good coach, but the pressures of the SEC will wear on Sterk. The next coach does real work with wiBOs recruits.
Mark it down.
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:10 am to Remote Controlled
BO inherited a 5 win team. He also inherited a team that had lost over a third of the players that GP had recruited since the SEC move. GPs system of development doesn't work if players don't stay 4-5 years.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:22 am to wubilli
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development doesn't work if players don't stay 4-5 years.
This.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:39 am to wubilli
Right, no one wants to hear it but we won't know if what BO is doing can work for a couple more years.
He might not get the chance.
People are also burying their heads in the sand about how much the protest hurt the program. These instate kids are seeing constant stories about enrollment drop, layoffs, budget cuts. It's not a good look obviously.
He might not get the chance.
People are also burying their heads in the sand about how much the protest hurt the program. These instate kids are seeing constant stories about enrollment drop, layoffs, budget cuts. It's not a good look obviously.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:22 am to wubilli
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BO inherited a 5 win team. He also inherited a team that had lost over a third of the players that GP had recruited since the SEC move. GPs system of development doesn't work if players don't stay 4-5 years
And he inherited a top 10 defense that he was the coordinator for that year. He quickly screwed that up and it took MTSU to beat us on Homecoming to figure that out.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:52 am to outlawjoseywales
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And he inherited a top 10 defense
It was a top 10 defense with KB at WLB. That ended when KB was drafted. With Lee and Burkett at WLB, this was not a top 10 defense.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:13 am to navynuke
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It was a top 10 defense with KB at WLB. That ended when KB was drafted. With Lee and Burkett at WLB, this was not a top 10 defense.
A college team can change drastically with just a handful of players leaving. Sure, Bama can just toss another 5 star wunderkind out there but most programs don't have future NFL draft picks sitting on the bench waiting to get into the game.
As an outsider who follows Missouri football it looked like a young and nervous defense adjusting to a new scheme. To complicate matters the switch to an up tempo offense meant that defense was on the field an awful lot, particularly before Crockett emerged to help solidify your running game. You are going to give up points in that situation.
I'm of the opinion that the first year for a coach is pretty much a wash. You really get a sense of what the program is going to be like going forward in the second season and by the third season you know what you've got.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:51 am to Remote Controlled
First, I'm a big fan of HCBO. College ball is all about results.
Second, he was hired at a time of program and school weakness. I dislike ex-AD Rhoades, but he probably did the best he could at the time with the internal hire.
Third, as stated earlier in this thread, GP's recruits had to stay around and they just didn't. That's all on GP, not HCBO.
Fourth, Mizzou needs to make a bowl game (6 wins) this year with this schedule. With five or fewer wins, I say cut HCBO quick. His recruiting will not improve enough to make a difference in his potential third year. AD Sterk is my man. Sterk will then need to go out and make that big bounce hire like he did with C. Martin. Mizzou needs this.
Fifth, get the SEZ project in the fippin' air now.
Sixth, I'm not getting any younger while waiting for a conference championship.
Second, he was hired at a time of program and school weakness. I dislike ex-AD Rhoades, but he probably did the best he could at the time with the internal hire.
Third, as stated earlier in this thread, GP's recruits had to stay around and they just didn't. That's all on GP, not HCBO.
Fourth, Mizzou needs to make a bowl game (6 wins) this year with this schedule. With five or fewer wins, I say cut HCBO quick. His recruiting will not improve enough to make a difference in his potential third year. AD Sterk is my man. Sterk will then need to go out and make that big bounce hire like he did with C. Martin. Mizzou needs this.
Fifth, get the SEZ project in the fippin' air now.
Sixth, I'm not getting any younger while waiting for a conference championship.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:48 am to outlawjoseywales
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And he inherited a top 10 defense that he was the coordinator for that year. He quickly screwed that up and it took MTSU to beat us on Homecoming to figure that out.
this.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:46 pm to SemperFi
Lol. Remind me how many snaps Walter Brady, Kentrell Brothers, Ian Simon, and Kenya Dennis played in 2016.
Other than losing a Fr AA, a NFL LB, and two 2 year starters in the secondary, yeah, he inherited the same team.
Other than losing a Fr AA, a NFL LB, and two 2 year starters in the secondary, yeah, he inherited the same team.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:16 pm to navynuke
Losing Brantley off the DL hurt too.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:13 pm to wubilli
He inherited a 5 win team but not a 5 win program. I agree with Remote. BO will be judged based on whether he takes what GP developed overall and improves it or lets it fall into extreme mediocrity.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:56 pm to reedus23
MR contacted more proven coaches. They wanted nothing to do with the situation at Mizzou. Fresh of an athlete protest, no system president & no campus chancellor.
Ideally BO would have had a chance to prove himself at a mid major before getting the Mizzou job.
I still feel like BO will be a very good head coach, I'm less confident that he does that at Mizzou.
Ideally BO would have had a chance to prove himself at a mid major before getting the Mizzou job.
I still feel like BO will be a very good head coach, I'm less confident that he does that at Mizzou.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:51 pm to reedus23
What is your take on inheriting a team composed of 5 classes, the first 3 of which saw 34 of 68 scholarship players either not make it to campus or finish their eligibility?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:20 pm to navynuke
wiBO is almost certain to get three years, which he should.
He's learning on the job in the SEC which is not easy, but I like so many of the things he is doing from the assistants he hires to the places he recruits. I think his ceiling is high. We should be rooting for him.
Pinkel's good teams had high caliber players in key positions and solid 4-5 year players around them. I don't think wiBO has that yet, especially on D. In particular, I don't see an draft quality LB or DE.
He's learning on the job in the SEC which is not easy, but I like so many of the things he is doing from the assistants he hires to the places he recruits. I think his ceiling is high. We should be rooting for him.
Pinkel's good teams had high caliber players in key positions and solid 4-5 year players around them. I don't think wiBO has that yet, especially on D. In particular, I don't see an draft quality LB or DE.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:52 pm to MIZ_COU
Frazier is projected as a first round pick in this draft according to 1 publication. He's the only 1. Though Howard and Williams might be there in a year or 2.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:06 pm to navynuke
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LB, and two 2 year starters in the secondary, yeah, he inherited the same team.
Did his scheme change affect the poor defensive performance?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:11 pm to navynuke
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What is your take on inheriting a team composed of 5 classes, the first 3 of which saw 34 of 68 scholarship players either not make it to campus or finish their eligibility?
You're completely missing the point. It has nothing to do with his first year, nor his second year. And therefore not as near sighted as you discussing a couple of classes.
The question will be, in the bigger picture, does wiBO move the program forward from what GP was able to accomplish or will he take the program back to mediocrity at best. We won't know that for years and it will have nothing to do with the classes you're talking about.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:28 am to reedus23
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does wiBO move the program forward from what GP was able to accomplish or will he take the program back to mediocrity at best.
Nailed it. In the end, this is all that matters.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:37 am to SemperFi
People are seriously overestimating what BO inherited.
It's not only that the team wasn't very good, it's all the negativity swirling around the program when he took the job.
GPs successor SHOULD have had a very strong foundation. That was all ruined when a couple of players decided they wanted to protest and GP decided he had to allow it. The rest is history.
BO will have to win despite all of that, because the fans aren't coming back without this team making a serious run.
It's not only that the team wasn't very good, it's all the negativity swirling around the program when he took the job.
GPs successor SHOULD have had a very strong foundation. That was all ruined when a couple of players decided they wanted to protest and GP decided he had to allow it. The rest is history.
BO will have to win despite all of that, because the fans aren't coming back without this team making a serious run.
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