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Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:15 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:15 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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Mozeliak knows what he's doing.
In Nordstroms, yes.
As a GM, sometimes.
He's a good GM, but not balsy enough, although I like his cautious, rational approach.
He sat on Shelby too long, let his value deteriorate. It's just a fact. He should have gotten more for him. He should have been identified earlier as the pitcher to trade.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:38 pm to hipgnosis
Why trade Miller earlier though? For what exactly? There were not many holes on the team, aside from SS and they signed Oeralta to play there.
I don't think Mozeliak played that poorly at all. He moved him when we needed to and got a really good player in return.
I don't think Mozeliak played that poorly at all. He moved him when we needed to and got a really good player in return.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:49 pm to JesusQuintana
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I don't think Mozeliak played that poorly at all. He moved him when we needed to and got a really good player in return.
We got a one year rental for a multi year cost controlled high end starter.
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Why trade Miller earlier though? For what exactly? There were not many holes on the team, aside from SS and they signed Oeralta to play there.
They should have traded Miller for a young SS like a Profar or a similar player. There was a few of them we could have targeted.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:27 am to hipgnosis
Sat on Freese too long too. Though he got some value for him, he could have gotten more if he traded him after that World Series. Would have been hated by the fans but his stock was never going to be that high again.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 12:57 am to reedus23
But again, why would he have traded Freese after the World Series. Just to trade him? In hindsight it would have been a good move but Freese was looking an All Star 3B at the time.
As for Miller, had OT not been killed Shelby would still be a Cardinal. He was traded to fill a hole, before that we really didn't have any. Again, aside from shortstop but they decided to sign Peralta and that's been a great move so far.
As for Miller, had OT not been killed Shelby would still be a Cardinal. He was traded to fill a hole, before that we really didn't have any. Again, aside from shortstop but they decided to sign Peralta and that's been a great move so far.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:40 am to JesusQuintana
In other news....
Why isn't Grichuk starting in CF?
Why isn't Grichuk starting in CF?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:34 am to JesusQuintana
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But again, why would he have traded Freese after the World Series. Just to trade him? In hindsight it would have been a good move but Freese was looking an All Star 3B at the time.
Like I said, because his value was never going to be higher. He was over valued at that time. He just was never as good as he showed in that World Series. The problem was that it would have been a huge PR mess with the hometown boy turned World Series hero. It was inevitable that he was going to come back down to earth and be the player he really is and he did.
I don't disagree about OT's death being the factor in the Miller trade, but we were going to have to do something and make some sort of trade with the log jam we have at pitching. Hell, even without Miller, we had 3 guys fighting for 1 spot with Martinez, Garcia and Marco.
I just wish if they get rid of guys, get more than what they got for Freeman. Hell, package Freeman if you can't get enough with him alone. Stockpile more picks. I trust their talent evaluation that I'd be ok with that. But cash consideration or player to be named later? Meh.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:35 am to TigerCruise
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Why isn't Grichuk starting in CF?
Personally, I've been wanting this all along. A bit more pop plus it gives you a right handed bat instead of all of these lefties.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:47 pm to reedus23
I don't get how they have 3 CF's and think that's okay.
They'll sit on it for as long as they can, and likely will sell low, or get nothing.
The Heyward deal is making less sense by every single and double he hits.
Holliday, Jay, Grichuk, Bourjos -- with Piscotty or Pham on call, and the ability to bring someone in at the deadline if needed.
We used our biggest bargaining chip (excessive starting pitching) to fill a position we didn't need to fill, with a player on a one year contract. Double stupid.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:40 pm to hipgnosis
Right Field was a need....
Piscotty isn't ready
Pham isn't ready and hurt.
Grichuk hasn't proven to be consistent at the plate.
Holliday won't be here forever.
Heyward was a solid pick up, sorry he is not at 20 home runs already. Get some realistic expectations would you.
Piscotty isn't ready
Pham isn't ready and hurt.
Grichuk hasn't proven to be consistent at the plate.
Holliday won't be here forever.
Heyward was a solid pick up, sorry he is not at 20 home runs already. Get some realistic expectations would you.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:04 pm to ZouDerrty
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Piscotty isn't ready
Pham isn't ready and hurt.
Guessing you missed 'on call', meaning they'd be in the minors, on call to replace one of our other 4 OFers.
And Pham being hurt is irrelevant. Further proving your incompetence on these matters of great importance.
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Grichuk hasn't proven to be consistent at the plate.
Guy passes the eye test, homered off Kershaw in the playoffs. 99% of organizations would jump into the season with a guy like him.
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Holliday won't be here forever.
Irrelevant.
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Heyward was a solid pick up, sorry he is not at 20 home runs already. Get some realistic expectations would you.
He was a solid pick up. He should help the team this year.
But he's not a power hitter. Signing him for 20+ million a year is becoming an obvious no. Can't throw that kind of money at a corner outfielder who isn't going to provide a deep threat, especially when it's a glaring need in the organization.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:48 pm to reedus23
Well, when you were advocating trading Freese he was 29 and coming of an all star season. He had also been a consistent .300 hitter to that point.
Had they traded him it would just open up a hole for no reason. Just didn't make sense.
Had they traded him it would just open up a hole for no reason. Just didn't make sense.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:00 pm to hipgnosis
We definitely needed to fill RF and for sure needed another hitter. Heyward isn't the middle of the order guy that was really needed, but he's a very good player
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:34 pm to JesusQuintana
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Well, when you were advocating trading Freese he was 29 and coming of an all star season. He had also been a consistent .300 hitter to that point.
That's my point. The lipstick was, in fact, on the pig. It was only a matter of time before people realized it was just a pig. You can get a lot more for him when people think he's an all-star and Mr. November as opposed to 2 years later after hitting .250 or whatever.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:37 pm to JesusQuintana
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We definitely needed to fill RF and for sure needed another hitter. Heyward isn't the middle of the order guy that was really needed, but he's a very good player
I agree. There was a need. I like Heyward, but I never expected him to come in hitting for power. He hasn't done that since his 1st season or the minors or whenever. He's a good bat and a plus defender. I'll take it. Now when it comes to resign him...no, not sure I'd go that high for him. But in the meantime, other guys are getting valuable at bats in AAA and developing.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 3:54 am to JesusQuintana
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We definitely needed to fill RF and for sure needed another hitter. Heyward isn't the middle of the order guy that was really needed, but he's a very good player
The 4 hole is the problem, Matt Adams is 2 for 20 with runners on and 0 for 7 with RISP. He's only taken 28 at bats, so basically he's killed every rally we've had.
Jay hasn't hit well in the 6th hole, should be moved to the 7 or 8 hole.
The biggest problem is Matt Adams, they need to move Peralta to the 3 or 4 spot.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 3:59 am
Posted on 4/18/15 at 1:09 pm to hipgnosis
Profar? Tht guy was out all of last year, and will miss all of this year.
That would have been a disaster.
That would have been a disaster.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:02 pm to hipgnosis
Trading Rasmus early in his career for bullpen help, a fringe starter, and a 5th OF wasn't ballsy?Signing an aging Berkman to play RF full time wasn't a gamble?
Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:07 pm to JesusQuintana
Exactly, there was no need to trade Miller before.The rotation had more question marks then.Nobody knew Wacha would be as good as he is.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:22 pm to JesusQuintana
Guess I am the only one who remembers '12 with the Cardinals winning the Wild Card and going all the way to the NLCS.Without Freese and his 20 HR and 80 RBI Cardinals don't even make the playoffs that year.If Freese was traded who would play 3B?Descalso?
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