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People who want Anderson fired after 1 season
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:40 am
...Are the same people who would've fired Pinkel after 2001, 2004, or 2012.
Think about that.
Perhaps we should just be patient and realize that we can only get better after this historically terrible season. This kind of season has happened to legendary coaches and the programs who were patient with them eventually reaped great rewards.
Plus...who the frick cares about basketball? Mizzou's a football school.
Think about that.
Perhaps we should just be patient and realize that we can only get better after this historically terrible season. This kind of season has happened to legendary coaches and the programs who were patient with them eventually reaped great rewards.
Plus...who the frick cares about basketball? Mizzou's a football school.
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:50 am to mizzoukills
I care about basketball, it's one of the two major sports in college, and we have a decent basketball history. Decent enough not to be dead fricking last in a mediocre basketball conference. Unfrickingacceptable!!
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:59 am to mizzoukills
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Mizzou's a football school.
Some pretty good wrestling going on right now on the big ten network.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:05 pm to mizzoukills
I don't think that's a great comparison though, even though I see it a lot lately on PM. Pinkel was a proven D1 coach who had paid his dues at a mid major first. KA never paid his dues at the D1 level, he stayed at D2 where there's no pressure and it's easier to win. His teams were made up of a lot of JUCO and D1 (from what I have read online, I didn't follow UCM while he was there) and he won because he was more talented than a lot of other teams. If he had coached say Missouri State to a tournament or some other small D1 school, I think it'd have more credibility, but having never done that it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will turn it around. Missouri it the Show Me state, he needs to prove that he can win at this level, or at least show some signs of improvement, if he wants everyone to give him all this time and patience. We're historically bad, at this point he seems to be no better than Haith was.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:13 pm to mizzoukills
Anderson is done, it's over
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:15 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Vol, how 'bout you take my shaft and let me 83 you with it? 
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:18 pm to mizzoukills
I'm gonna go with. ....................no
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:42 pm to mizzoukills
This is from a post on PM I found this morning. I thought it was a good neutral observation. I tried posting the whole post but it exceeded the character limit. I'll try to post a link to the whole thread in hopes it works. But I thought I'd put a little clip of it up I found interesting. Keep in mind, this is opinion and fact. I thought it was a good post. The Link
We don't have a single high-production scorer on this roster. Period. We have guys who can get 20 points on a given night, if they are "on," but our leading scorer is J3 at 12 ppg. Clark was averaging 10 ppg before he got hurt. Next is Teki at 9 ppg. There are no true scorers on this team ... not yet, at least. Maybe one of the aforementioned guys can develop into that, but none are now. Using a more current frame of reference, remember that Kim English averaged about 6 ppg as a freshman, while Denmon was a little lower than that. Bowers averaged 2 ppg as a freshman. Mike Dixon averaged 7 ppg as a freshman. Going back a bit, Leo Lyons averaged about 4 ppg as a freshman. Difference is, none of those guys listed above were thrown into roles where they had to score as freshmen. We don't have that luxury now. Our "scorers" are J3 and Clark. Both are sophomores. Contrast that to Bowers, Denmon and English's freshman year when they had Carroll scoring 16 ppg, Lyons averaging 14+ ppg and Matt Lawrence also in double figures. All three were seniors.
By the way, answering your question. No, KA shouldn't be fired in his first year. I think it would scare off any viable coaching candidates in the near future,cough cough hum, Gregg Marshall, cough cough. I think you have to look at him just like the players. I think he is basically a freshman coach. It's been as big of an adjustment for him as it has been for the players. I think there is much blame to be spread around. It just always is pinpointed at the HC.
We don't have a single high-production scorer on this roster. Period. We have guys who can get 20 points on a given night, if they are "on," but our leading scorer is J3 at 12 ppg. Clark was averaging 10 ppg before he got hurt. Next is Teki at 9 ppg. There are no true scorers on this team ... not yet, at least. Maybe one of the aforementioned guys can develop into that, but none are now. Using a more current frame of reference, remember that Kim English averaged about 6 ppg as a freshman, while Denmon was a little lower than that. Bowers averaged 2 ppg as a freshman. Mike Dixon averaged 7 ppg as a freshman. Going back a bit, Leo Lyons averaged about 4 ppg as a freshman. Difference is, none of those guys listed above were thrown into roles where they had to score as freshmen. We don't have that luxury now. Our "scorers" are J3 and Clark. Both are sophomores. Contrast that to Bowers, Denmon and English's freshman year when they had Carroll scoring 16 ppg, Lyons averaging 14+ ppg and Matt Lawrence also in double figures. All three were seniors.
By the way, answering your question. No, KA shouldn't be fired in his first year. I think it would scare off any viable coaching candidates in the near future,cough cough hum, Gregg Marshall, cough cough. I think you have to look at him just like the players. I think he is basically a freshman coach. It's been as big of an adjustment for him as it has been for the players. I think there is much blame to be spread around. It just always is pinpointed at the HC.
This post was edited on 2/22/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:57 pm to jafo
One coach has established he can win at this level. One hasn't. Seriously, take out the fact that he went to Mizzou and tell me what you objectively think of KA as a coach at this point.
Having said that. KA will and should be given at least another year. I used to say 3-4 years but I wouldn't put it past a new AD after next year if next year is like this year. I don't think Alden would fire him after 2 years. I new AD might. Regardless, KA is here next year without question.
Having said that. KA will and should be given at least another year. I used to say 3-4 years but I wouldn't put it past a new AD after next year if next year is like this year. I don't think Alden would fire him after 2 years. I new AD might. Regardless, KA is here next year without question.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:08 pm to reedus23
It next year is like this year, the number of people who will be campaigning for him to get another year will be fewer than the number of people sad to see Haith leave.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 1:50 pm to mizzoukills
We don't what?
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:55 pm to reedus23
Objectively, I don't have an opinion on his coaching when I don't know exactly if it is his coaching being the reason for the fall. As it's been shown, there is sporadic play all over the court. There is players still standing around not getting open. There are no real consistant shooters on this team yet and there is almost no post presence. One game they show up for awhile the next they are just not there.
So with that, how can you objectively have an opinion on ones coaching skill if the players are not producing? I mean a majority of fans judge a coach by one criteria and that's wins and losses right? As I have said in past posts, KA can't shoot the free throws, he can't be out there posting up, going after rebounds shooting midrange jump shots and missing uncontested layups. But I am not saying that KA is not responsible as well. There may be things he could have done to improve there chances, but making shots is an individual thing. KA can try to get them into a position to increase their chances of making shots but it still ends up on the individual player.
I am also not saying these players can't play. The quote I put in my first reply sums it up nicely dealing with young players. Most of Missouri's recent past players all started out slow only to progress into great players and scorers. Hope is that these players will also.
Think about it this way. How many games would have probably been different if the players had simply executed and made shots? Would it be fair to say that this team might be closer or at the point where people thought they might be before the season?
So with that, how can you objectively have an opinion on ones coaching skill if the players are not producing? I mean a majority of fans judge a coach by one criteria and that's wins and losses right? As I have said in past posts, KA can't shoot the free throws, he can't be out there posting up, going after rebounds shooting midrange jump shots and missing uncontested layups. But I am not saying that KA is not responsible as well. There may be things he could have done to improve there chances, but making shots is an individual thing. KA can try to get them into a position to increase their chances of making shots but it still ends up on the individual player.
I am also not saying these players can't play. The quote I put in my first reply sums it up nicely dealing with young players. Most of Missouri's recent past players all started out slow only to progress into great players and scorers. Hope is that these players will also.
Think about it this way. How many games would have probably been different if the players had simply executed and made shots? Would it be fair to say that this team might be closer or at the point where people thought they might be before the season?
Posted on 2/22/15 at 2:58 pm to mizzoukills
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...Are the same people who would've fired Pinkel after 2001, 2004, or 2012.
no, not even close.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 3:09 pm to ford1911
I think he should get another year but comparing him to Pinkel is insane. Pinkel's teams didn't quit on him. Face it this was a horrible hire. We would have been better off getting a coach from Ohio or Ball State. Someone who at least coached in D1.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 7:28 am to mizzoukills
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...Are the same people who would've fired Pinkel after 2001, 2004, or 2012.
Think about that.
Agree Killz
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:13 am to jafo
People completely underestimate how much youth means with regards to ability. Other than maybe 5-10 freshmen per year, they are not impact players on their own. The only freshman that contribute at high levels are those who can be merely role players and take some heat off of the team leaders.
Freshmen "can" be good players but not when they are the leaders and players being relied upon to be difference makers.
Just look at UK with Cal. 2 years ago he had the most talented team in the country with zero experience and they didn't even make the NCAAT. Even the best talent, including 5 star players, are not going to be great as freshman outside of those very few 1 and done players which there are maybe 5 of a year. And even a lot of those guys are just role players.
In summary, it will take at least 2 or 3 years to see what Anderson can do. You won't know what he is capable until he has some experience to work with. If he can't keep players around for 3 years, then that would be a fireable offense and no longer an excuse.
Freshmen "can" be good players but not when they are the leaders and players being relied upon to be difference makers.
Just look at UK with Cal. 2 years ago he had the most talented team in the country with zero experience and they didn't even make the NCAAT. Even the best talent, including 5 star players, are not going to be great as freshman outside of those very few 1 and done players which there are maybe 5 of a year. And even a lot of those guys are just role players.
In summary, it will take at least 2 or 3 years to see what Anderson can do. You won't know what he is capable until he has some experience to work with. If he can't keep players around for 3 years, then that would be a fireable offense and no longer an excuse.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:18 am to notsince98
notsince98
Exactly. Good post. /thread
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In summary, it will take at least 2 or 3 years to see what Anderson can do. You won't know what he is capable until he has some experience to work with. If he can't keep players around for 3 years, then that would be a fireable offense and no longer an excuse.
Exactly. Good post. /thread
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:08 am to mizzoukills
The comparison with HCGP is a good one. There were some who raved GP can't coach in the SEC after his first year there. Those same folks didn't care that the QB was injured off and on and that half of the Two deep of the OL was injured. As bad as things are now can you imagine the firestorm if Haith was still here. KA was excited to take over this program even though he new it was going to be a rough first couple of years. Little did he know he would be booting the players who were projected to be the teams leading scorer and Jones who would most likely be a starter and give the front court some size and rebounding. As tough as this season is I'm sure it is rougher and KA than it is any of us. On the current roster look who KA inherited from FA. Post, Rosburg, Shamburger(who had never played a game for Mizzou), JW III and Clark who is injured. This is a year I want to forget. Whoever came in as coach was going to suffer through an ugly first season. Little did we know how ugly it would be.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 10:15 am
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