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Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:50 am
Anybody else read this?
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"If you sincerely want better relationships, the time for demands, threats and arbitrary deadlines is over — you don't need them," Henson wrote.
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"There are things, like hiring faculty or staff, or admitting students based on protected characteristics to meet a numerical target, will not and cannot be done," Henson wrote. "It is against state and federal law. It also is a bad model for a sustainable community."
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:57 am to Wtodd
I did read that. Solid response
Posted on 3/1/16 at 8:07 am to Wtodd
Good, but this should have been the first message to them.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 8:12 am to everytrueson
Whiny brats eventually get scolded by practical adults. It's the way of the world. And it's about time they learned this, and got the message. Wonder if they cried when they read it because their feelings were hurt???
Posted on 3/1/16 at 8:37 am to semotruman
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Wonder if they cried when they read it because their feelings were hurt
Probably ran to their safe room, and enjoyed their butt hurt.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 8:49 am to SemperFi
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enjoyed their butt hurt
Enjoyed or planned their next move?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 9:08 am to everytrueson
Exactly right and that's why changes have and must be made. In high leadership you have to squash small fires. We have been led by men who pretend like they are beyond putting them out and they grew so large they
1. Damaged our reputation
2. Enabled those with the victim mindset (which fuels them to further justify their reckless behavior)
3. Since they weren't proactive in hardly any sense of the word it left a grain of truth to the protestors arguments which they tried to expand to a mountain.
1. Damaged our reputation
2. Enabled those with the victim mindset (which fuels them to further justify their reckless behavior)
3. Since they weren't proactive in hardly any sense of the word it left a grain of truth to the protestors arguments which they tried to expand to a mountain.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 10:30 am to BurgTiger
Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. Kudos to Mr. Henson for standing to this nonsense. It's some thing the previous administration was afraid to do and got us in this mess in the first place.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 10:48 am to MIZZOU_JP
Well, to be fair the football team isn't on strike at the moment.
The previous admin's real misstep was to allow this nonsense to reach the point it did.
The previous admin's real misstep was to allow this nonsense to reach the point it did.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:32 pm to JesusQuintana
Hanson has an advantage. The cry babies can't hang racism over his head. They didn't realize the advantage they had when the administration was white. Now that's gone and it's a wonderful thing.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:45 pm to MIZZOU_JP
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The cry babies can't hang racism over his head
Agree but that only works when the adults act like adults and treat babies like babies.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:02 pm to Wtodd
Isn't it strange that people have a problem with protesters that they can't relate to their issues or in other word don't give a darn about them, but they could relate to the protest in the link below and others like them. I stand by the protesters at Mizzou and I take my hat off to them for fighting for what they believe in.
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 5:46 pm to Zou brownmajic
Protests are fine. Making ridiculous sets of demands are quite another.
They can protest, they can work with university leaders to better their perceived plight. They can gather and organize. Or, if none of that is sufficient they can leave.
They can NOT make demands of the university, many of which were complete nonsense. The bullshite the football team pulled has cost the university dearly already and the impact may not be fully realized for many years.
I applaud Hanson for standing up to them.
They can protest, they can work with university leaders to better their perceived plight. They can gather and organize. Or, if none of that is sufficient they can leave.
They can NOT make demands of the university, many of which were complete nonsense. The bullshite the football team pulled has cost the university dearly already and the impact may not be fully realized for many years.
I applaud Hanson for standing up to them.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:03 pm to Zou brownmajic
I have no issue at all with protesting. That's a freedom afforded us in this country, and I support their right to do so. It's some of the tactics I take issue with. The homecoming parade, IMO, wasn't the time nor place to stage a protest and shout black power slogans. That's a time of celebration for alumni and other stakeholders in the university. If they wanted to do something that weekend, there would have been other choices. IF they just wanted Wolfe's attention, there would have been other ways to get it. I feel like they chose that venue and that specific language for shock value and media attention. It seemed very different to me than the Civil Rights marches of the 1950s and 1960s.
And the demands are ineffective at this point. They're showing their immaturity. They are consumers of a product - an education at the University of Missouri. If they are dissatisfied with the product, they can take their business elsewhere. Demanding that hiring quotas be met, and money be spent for what amounts to segregation show me they lack a clear, achievable objective.
This is just my opinion. I abhor racism, it is evil. But these tactics are not designed to reach a positive solution, or even generate positive public opinion for their cause; just the opposite, I'm afraid.
And the demands are ineffective at this point. They're showing their immaturity. They are consumers of a product - an education at the University of Missouri. If they are dissatisfied with the product, they can take their business elsewhere. Demanding that hiring quotas be met, and money be spent for what amounts to segregation show me they lack a clear, achievable objective.
This is just my opinion. I abhor racism, it is evil. But these tactics are not designed to reach a positive solution, or even generate positive public opinion for their cause; just the opposite, I'm afraid.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:07 pm to JesusQuintana
Everyone wants to talk about how he stood up to them, which he did. But they ignore the other part of his letter that shows that there were issues/flaws in the system that are, in fact, being worked out.
Were some of the demands put together on a 3rd grade level? Of course.
Were there problems on campus? Of course.
And it appears that the silly portion is being cast aside and the real problems being addressed.
Just as much as the football team gave a black eye according to some, so did the administration by not giving this response at the very outset before the football team ever became involved.
Were some of the demands put together on a 3rd grade level? Of course.
Were there problems on campus? Of course.
And it appears that the silly portion is being cast aside and the real problems being addressed.
Just as much as the football team gave a black eye according to some, so did the administration by not giving this response at the very outset before the football team ever became involved.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:00 pm to reedus23
You are spot on with The last portion of your post, but I'm not sure that acknowledgement and a willingness to work together is anything other than appeasement. Which, as you correctly stated, should have been the higher ups reaction from the onset.
I'm not black, and I don't know what it's like to be black. I also haven't been on campus as a student in 10 years. I do know this though. There are no more accepting, liberal, inclusive environments in this country than on the campus of a major state university. Mizzou is no different. In fact, it may be one of the more liberal spots you could attend. I'm not saying there are not racists or racist events, but if these folks can't make it through 4 years at Mizzou then I shutter to think how they'll be able to handle the rest of their life in the real world.
Maybe a bit more backbone and a few less safe spaces are exactly what these young men and women need.
I'm not black, and I don't know what it's like to be black. I also haven't been on campus as a student in 10 years. I do know this though. There are no more accepting, liberal, inclusive environments in this country than on the campus of a major state university. Mizzou is no different. In fact, it may be one of the more liberal spots you could attend. I'm not saying there are not racists or racist events, but if these folks can't make it through 4 years at Mizzou then I shutter to think how they'll be able to handle the rest of their life in the real world.
Maybe a bit more backbone and a few less safe spaces are exactly what these young men and women need.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:00 pm to reedus23
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Everyone wants to talk about how he stood up to them, which he did.
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But they ignore the other part of his letter that shows that there were issues/flaws in the system that are, in fact, being worked out.
also true.
It seems Wolfe could have learned an awful lot from Hanson, who BTW was a founding member of the legion of black collegians.
I have never got the one sidedness of the responses (except for reedus). CS1950 has acted like 3rd graders at times. But Wolfe handled the situation like at best a 7th grader and he gets a complete pass.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 7:25 pm to MIZ_COU
He doesn't get a pass from me. In fact, from my perch, he shoulders the vast majority of the blame.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 10:32 pm to JesusQuintana
I don't give Wolfe or Loftin passes, not at all. They failed to handle the situation at every turn. Had it been handled properly, it would have never become national news. For that, I blame Loftin more than Wolfe, Loftin was closer to the situation.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:10 am to MIZ_COU
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It seems Wolfe could have learned an awful lot from Hanson, who BTW was a founding member of the legion of black collegians.
I think that was Middleton, not Henson.
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