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re: Now that Mizzou is on an upswing is there more pressure on BO this fall?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:29 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:29 pm to MIZ_COU
Im only thick because you are wrong.
There are ways to "improve recruiting", but not substantially so.
You think Odom would all of a sudden be a better recruiter if he took the Florida St job?
Schools recruit to their relative station within the cfb hierarchy and always will as long as the current structure remains. This is why the same teams win every year. Its damn near impossible to break in that group. Not impossible, but damn near.
There are inherent built in advantages/disadvantages with each school and no amount of magic recruiting pixie dust will change that.
What Mizzou can do to improve recruiting is quite simple. Pump as much money into facilities as possible. The history is not changing, the instate talent base is not changing.
No matter who we have as coach its going to be VERY rare that we beat out Alabama, Ohio St, Notre Dame etc for recruits. Very rare. Identification and development is always going to be 10X more important than chasing stars for us. Thats just the way it is. Our coaches will win and lose based on their ability to do that.
There are ways to "improve recruiting", but not substantially so.
You think Odom would all of a sudden be a better recruiter if he took the Florida St job?
Schools recruit to their relative station within the cfb hierarchy and always will as long as the current structure remains. This is why the same teams win every year. Its damn near impossible to break in that group. Not impossible, but damn near.
There are inherent built in advantages/disadvantages with each school and no amount of magic recruiting pixie dust will change that.
What Mizzou can do to improve recruiting is quite simple. Pump as much money into facilities as possible. The history is not changing, the instate talent base is not changing.
No matter who we have as coach its going to be VERY rare that we beat out Alabama, Ohio St, Notre Dame etc for recruits. Very rare. Identification and development is always going to be 10X more important than chasing stars for us. Thats just the way it is. Our coaches will win and lose based on their ability to do that.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:34 pm to MIZ_COU
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This is a solid class that fills some needs but I don't see Pinkle's sprinkling of NFL talent in it.
LOL, how in the frick could you possibly know that. Let me guess, you knew Weatherspoon, Alexander and Harris were stars when we signed them right?
Mizzou's recruiting classes will be judged when they graduate, not before they've stepped on campus or put on a pad. Our RS JR/SR players need to be as good as they FR/SO star recruits other schools are bring in.
This is how we win. Its doable. It might not sit well with the instant gratification crowd, but it CAN work. If Odom can do it or not we will know in a couple of years, but not before.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:48 pm to JesusQuintana
Mizzou does great till they play a team that recruits in the top 20. Then we get shite stomped.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:21 pm to navynuke
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Texas alone produces 350 FBS players/year and has 6 classes of Football.
Thanks NN for corroborating my opinion regarding the misstep of MU deemphasized utilization of their established recruiting footprint in TX. Your help while likely unintentional is still appreciated.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:26 pm to TigerCruise
That's not true. We beat plenty of teams that "recruit better" than we do.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:29 pm to JesusQuintana
quote:dude you need to print this shirt and wear it. It sums up your ability to follow a single train of thought, process new information, or argue a point perfectly. You ask for examples and go right by them. You form an opinion, provide little to no evidence, and once it's in your head it becomes a fact written on a stone tablet by God himself. And your opinions are completely black and white, all or nothing, with no nuance at all. Then all you can do is repeat these opinions (sorry facts handed down from God) over and over in different forms. It's not just this thread it's what you do. Or what you are incapable of doing.
Im only thick because you are wrong.
It's boring as shite, so I give. Yah sure whatever you say.
You are right.
I am wrong.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:36 pm to MIZ_COU
I believe the JQ recruiting analysis went something like this.
"We are going to recruit well in BO's first full cycle.
Well, we missed on a couple of guys, but we will fill those spots back up.
Well, we didn't fill those spots back up, but we will be better next year.
Barry Odom recruited great and you're stupid if you don't agree."
"We are going to recruit well in BO's first full cycle.
Well, we missed on a couple of guys, but we will fill those spots back up.
Well, we didn't fill those spots back up, but we will be better next year.
Barry Odom recruited great and you're stupid if you don't agree."
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:36 pm to MIZ_COU
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Next year Missouri has a good high school class. I think we are going to find out BO's ceiling sooner rather than later
Thanks COU, that was the closing point in my original rant. The fact that MY opinion is that severe nut cup damage will occur as BO whiffs on this years fertile opportunity brought out the "kum by yah" crowd (JQ Etc)
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:37 pm to MIZ_COU
You didn't provide any examples. You provided a bunch of teams that recruit outside of the blue blood level, right where their history, proximity to recruits and facilities would suggest they would...Odd isn't it?
You inferred that with another chance coach, an ace recruiter, we could all of a sudden start reeling in top classes.
That is not how cfb works. I'd assume that you've been a fan for awhile and have seen the same handful of teams win year after year. That's not because they all have better coaches. It's because they have better situations.
Again, to fully judge Odom requires patience. If you simply look at what needs on a recruiting site rate a kid at then you are never going to be happy as a Mizzou fan. Odom, or any other coach we get, will not have his bread buttered by 247 or Rivals. He'll make his mark by what he does with the kids he does get.
You inferred that with another chance coach, an ace recruiter, we could all of a sudden start reeling in top classes.
That is not how cfb works. I'd assume that you've been a fan for awhile and have seen the same handful of teams win year after year. That's not because they all have better coaches. It's because they have better situations.
Again, to fully judge Odom requires patience. If you simply look at what needs on a recruiting site rate a kid at then you are never going to be happy as a Mizzou fan. Odom, or any other coach we get, will not have his bread buttered by 247 or Rivals. He'll make his mark by what he does with the kids he does get.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:41 pm to the808bass
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I believe the JQ recruiting analysis went something like this.
"We are going to recruit well in BO's first full cycle.
Well, we missed on a couple of guys, but we will fill those spots back up.
Well, we didn't fill those spots back up, but we will be better next year.
Barry Odom recruited great and you're stupid if you don't agree."
Never said he recruited great.
What I said is we don't know how good/bad this class is and won't for a few years.
Star gazing is just not something that is going to make Mizzou fans happy, but by all means...
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:47 pm to JesusQuintana
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No matter who we have as coach its going to be VERY rare that we beat out Alabama, Ohio St, Notre Dame etc for recruits. Very rare
Well it would be nice if we could beat out the Iowas, Ill, Kentucky, Vandy, Both Mississipis, hell even Baylor and the long list of other non bluebloods could go much further
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:57 pm to the808bass
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You think Odom does have his recruiting figured out
I think the staff he put together is well connected in two of the deepest talent pools in the country. I think they will bring in higher caliber players. I think they are going to have to be in front of the players for a couple of years for it to work.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:57 pm to MIZ_COU
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It sums up your ability to follow a single train of thought, process new information, or argue a point perfectly. You ask for examples and go right by them. You form an opinion, provide little to no evidence, and once it's in your head it becomes a fact written on a stone tablet by God himself. And your opinions are completely black and white, all or nothing, with no nuance at all. Then all you can do is repeat these opinions (sorry facts handed down from God
Concise and very insightful COU. Eerily sounds very familiar to one who shall not be named political supporters. I do ask don't give up the fight for right even though it feels as though you are knocking your head against a brick wall. You may still bring logic and insight to those still straddling the fence.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:58 pm to muinsandiegp
We do.
Case Cook- Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Miss St, West Virginia etc
Hyrin White- Arizona St, Colorado, North Carolina, Ok State etc
Adam Sparks- Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss St etc
These are just a few, Im not going to list them all. You get the point.
Case Cook- Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Louisville, Miss St, West Virginia etc
Hyrin White- Arizona St, Colorado, North Carolina, Ok State etc
Adam Sparks- Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss St etc
These are just a few, Im not going to list them all. You get the point.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:04 pm to navynuke
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I think the staff he put together is well connected in two of the deepest talent pools in the country. I think they increase the talent level of the players brought in from out of state. I think they are going to have to be in front of the players for a couple of years for it to work.
I agree. So we won't know for a couple years if it works or not.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:18 pm to the808bass
One thing that Odom has his staff doing that wasn't as prevalent under GP is getting the position coaches involved earlier in the process. Letting guys like Hill and Elarbee sell their rooms to these players when they are sophomores is vital. Start adding a couple of elite skill players/olinemen to every class would definitely help buffer the lean instate classes.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:47 pm to the808bass
Thanks for the summary.
I take it back.
His analysis is improving
I take it back.
His analysis is improving
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:58 pm to MIZ_COU
Lol...I know this may be shocking to you, but you aren't exactly throwing out any complex equations backed by years of scientific research. "Recruit better" is not a strategy. You need a how.
Look man, I've stated on this board several times the disadvantages we have in FB recruiting. It's no secret. Below average history. Our stadium is frankly a joke in comparison. We have less in state talent than pretty much every other SEC team, and we have a lower half budget. LSU pays their DC nearly what we pay Odom. Mediocre, at best, fan base. Etc, etc
What sales pitch do you think overcomes all of that?
Look man, I've stated on this board several times the disadvantages we have in FB recruiting. It's no secret. Below average history. Our stadium is frankly a joke in comparison. We have less in state talent than pretty much every other SEC team, and we have a lower half budget. LSU pays their DC nearly what we pay Odom. Mediocre, at best, fan base. Etc, etc
What sales pitch do you think overcomes all of that?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 2:34 am to JesusQuintana
NFL Draft Picks? Play right away and not be behind 4/5 star recruits? SEC East Titles?
The number of 2 star and under players we recruit is awful. If we can't out recruit the likes of ACC teams while in the SEC, we're truly doomed.
How do you not get one four star recruit? Not fricking one.
Here's a short list of teams we are getting out recruited by:
Duke
UNC
Maryland
Washington
Arkansas
Mississippi St
Colorado
Louisville
Kentucky
Pittsburgh
Ole Miss
TCU
Arizona St
Georgia Tech
Northwestern
Washington State
Texas Tech
Rutgers
NC State
Oregon St
Iowa St
Please, inform me about the reasons these schools should out recruit us.
The number of 2 star and under players we recruit is awful. If we can't out recruit the likes of ACC teams while in the SEC, we're truly doomed.
How do you not get one four star recruit? Not fricking one.
Here's a short list of teams we are getting out recruited by:
Duke
UNC
Maryland
Washington
Arkansas
Mississippi St
Colorado
Louisville
Kentucky
Pittsburgh
Ole Miss
TCU
Arizona St
Georgia Tech
Northwestern
Washington State
Texas Tech
Rutgers
NC State
Oregon St
Iowa St
Please, inform me about the reasons these schools should out recruit us.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:37 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:36 am to TigerCruise
Those teams are all in our relative tier. You are assuming there is some huge difference between the 25 and 45 class. Once you get past the elite prospects it's a literal crapshoot.
It's just hard for me to believe that people take as gospel the word of some nerd on a recruiting site who watched a 5 min highlight (if he even did that). More likely slapped a rating on a kid based on where he is going or which camps he attended.
Petry and Davis were both 4* at one point and got downgraded. Would you feel better if they didn't? Would our class be any better?
We can get more "stars" this year. Our ability to do so will always be dependent on the depth of in state talent in a given year. It's an up year in that regard, and our class will be "better" because of it.
It's just hard for me to believe that people take as gospel the word of some nerd on a recruiting site who watched a 5 min highlight (if he even did that). More likely slapped a rating on a kid based on where he is going or which camps he attended.
Petry and Davis were both 4* at one point and got downgraded. Would you feel better if they didn't? Would our class be any better?
We can get more "stars" this year. Our ability to do so will always be dependent on the depth of in state talent in a given year. It's an up year in that regard, and our class will be "better" because of it.
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