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Now that Mizzou is on an upswing is there more pressure on BO this fall?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:57 pm
It's been a damn good month for Mizzou Athletics. It's the most positive period for Mizzou since CS1950 staged hoaxes and created fake outrage to protest.
Lets recap:
Baseball had a 20 game win streak
Cox won his 3rd NCAA Championship in Wrestling
Mizzou women's Basketball won a tournament game
um..........I guess that's about it.
And the Amazing hire of Cuonzo Martin, his Hire of Porter Sr, and the commitment from Porter Jr.
How much pressure is on Barry Odem to get the Football program on track now? I'd say the expectation for 2017 is at least a 6-6 record and a bowl game since the off season schedule is easier this year.
Thoughts?
Lets recap:
Baseball had a 20 game win streak
Cox won his 3rd NCAA Championship in Wrestling
Mizzou women's Basketball won a tournament game
um..........I guess that's about it.
And the Amazing hire of Cuonzo Martin, his Hire of Porter Sr, and the commitment from Porter Jr.
How much pressure is on Barry Odem to get the Football program on track now? I'd say the expectation for 2017 is at least a 6-6 record and a bowl game since the off season schedule is easier this year.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 7:58 pm
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:44 pm to MIZZOU_JP
I would hope so. I have already expressed my thoughts on BO. In essence I foresee BO doing for the football program what KA did/was to/for our BB program. The similarities are to obvious to ignore. Both were/are in over their proverbial heads.
Alas, we are stuck with BO and I fear we will never get an answer from his coaching tenure to the classic chicken/egg first debate. Will his coaching win/loss record lead to adequate above average recruiting or less likely, will he and staff be able to actually land recruiting classes capable of a positive win/loss record??
My opinion is that BO falls significantly short to achieve either scenario.
Alas, we are stuck with BO and I fear we will never get an answer from his coaching tenure to the classic chicken/egg first debate. Will his coaching win/loss record lead to adequate above average recruiting or less likely, will he and staff be able to actually land recruiting classes capable of a positive win/loss record??
My opinion is that BO falls significantly short to achieve either scenario.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:48 pm to muinsandiegp
We win 8 games next year under BO. Stop comparing BO to KA. Huge difference in the 2
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:49 pm to JAGsports
The last few football games of the year showed the difference between BO and KA.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:28 pm to the808bass
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The last few football games of the year showed the difference between BO and KA.
True Dat! I feel that the KA comparison is unfair. Yes, the defense regressed tremendously last year. However BO had some positives last year. He improved our worst unit, the O-Line, and made them pretty good. He ended the season with a 2-1 record and a win over our top "rival" ArKansas. Hopefully Mizzou's athletic programs will continue to thrive and the Football recruits will come.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:34 pm to JAGsports
Please one and all feel free to save my comments/opinion for what I sincerely hope will be the time where you have the objective data to call me out and proove me wrong.
Examples of said data would be winning at a minimum would be winning at least 7+ games a year including REAL bowl games(not fillers) and recruiting classes at least 6th or 7th in the SEC to wit especially this year with the amount and quality of homegrowm talent available (for this I will definitely be wearing my double padded Clockwork Orange crotch cup) Who wants to take the over on 3 for the number of top ten homegrown MO recruits we actually sign?? I dont expect we will get any of the top 3 so if BO is your man then take the over.
Examples of said data would be winning at a minimum would be winning at least 7+ games a year including REAL bowl games(not fillers) and recruiting classes at least 6th or 7th in the SEC to wit especially this year with the amount and quality of homegrowm talent available (for this I will definitely be wearing my double padded Clockwork Orange crotch cup) Who wants to take the over on 3 for the number of top ten homegrown MO recruits we actually sign?? I dont expect we will get any of the top 3 so if BO is your man then take the over.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:57 pm to muinsandiegp
8.3 TFLs per game the last month of the season were as many as they averaged during any 4 conference game stretch in the last 16 years.
Odom will be fine.
Odom will be fine.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 10:28 pm to navynuke
He's a good coach and getting better.
but he doesn't have recruiting figured out
but he doesn't have recruiting figured out
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:18 pm to MIZ_COU
Because he didn't have a top 15 class in his first full recruiting cycle?
Ok
Ok
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:35 pm to navynuke
So I take it you are confident in taking the "over", is that correct ENS Navyduke??
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:50 pm to muinsandiegp
Yes, ifistmyselftosleepinsandiegp
Posted on 3/25/17 at 8:56 am to muinsandiegp
BO has already been better than KA, both in terms of coaching and recruiting. That doesn't mean the results have been good, but they have been better than KA's.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:35 am to navynuke
quote:Well partly.
Because he didn't have a top 15 class in his first full recruiting cycle? Ok
It's also because he didn't have a top 25 class
and he didn't have a top 35 class
and he didn't have a top 45 class
He did have a top 50 class that was 13th in the SEC
So I still don't think he has recruiting figured out
and it wasn't completely his first recruiting cycle. He was already here, already part of the process.
and now we are seeing what Gonzo can do in his first recruiting cycle. It does raise expectations
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:15 am to MIZ_COU
#1. BO wasn't the primary recruiter on any of the players in the class. The HC is brought in to close. So yes, it was his staff's first full recruiting cycle. You underappreciate the relationship coaches establish with players are sophomores in HS. Year 3 is the indicator of what a new staff is doing unless you are a blue blood.
#2. You can't compare the recruiting dynamics of FB and BBall. It's a totally different sell. That aside, who was Odom supposed to hire so their son would attend MU?
#2. You can't compare the recruiting dynamics of FB and BBall. It's a totally different sell. That aside, who was Odom supposed to hire so their son would attend MU?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 12:15 pm to MIZ_COU
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Well partly. It's also because he didn't have a top 25 class and he didn't have a top 35 class and he didn't have a top 45 class He did have a top 50 class that was 13th in the SEC So I still don't think he has recruiting figured out and it wasn't completely his first recruiting cycle. He was already here, already part of the process. and now we are seeing what Gonzo can do in his first recruiting cycle. It does raise expectations
Recruiting basketball and football here are infinitely different propositions.
If BO wins, he'll do it the same way Pinkel did. It won't be by winning recruiting titles.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 1:26 pm to MIZ_COU
As usual Miz_Cou you responded to the kool-aid induced optimism ("just because not top 15 class...") with reality and verifiable objective data/info. You said what I was thinking and I thought of preparing a similar response as a sarcastic joke to ND's overprotective comment.
I do differ with you somewhat on BOBO as a Head coach. I was ambivalent when he was hired and as he progressed I became less and less impressed. Then he totally lost me when he had the players inter-lock their arms and "skip off together" into halftime to get their "participation juice boxes" and share a kum by yah experience. To me that was wrong on just too many levels. While he may be a decent coach, I maintain with his makeup and experience he is in over his head as a HC in a P5 conference. (Includes his ability to let his ego allow him to compile a competive staff to assist/guide him in areas where he is weak)
Now responding to JQ,'s comment "he will win like Pinkel did and not by winning any recruiting wars", Wow that is not only scary but extremely defeatist for a rose tinted glasses wearer such as JQ. Scary because he does not have the chops to coach up as GP. Defeatist, damn so you are throwing in the towel on winning recruiting wars for superior talent? So is that towel thrown over BOBOs recruiting or does it cover the entire MU FB program??
I do differ with you somewhat on BOBO as a Head coach. I was ambivalent when he was hired and as he progressed I became less and less impressed. Then he totally lost me when he had the players inter-lock their arms and "skip off together" into halftime to get their "participation juice boxes" and share a kum by yah experience. To me that was wrong on just too many levels. While he may be a decent coach, I maintain with his makeup and experience he is in over his head as a HC in a P5 conference. (Includes his ability to let his ego allow him to compile a competive staff to assist/guide him in areas where he is weak)
Now responding to JQ,'s comment "he will win like Pinkel did and not by winning any recruiting wars", Wow that is not only scary but extremely defeatist for a rose tinted glasses wearer such as JQ. Scary because he does not have the chops to coach up as GP. Defeatist, damn so you are throwing in the towel on winning recruiting wars for superior talent? So is that towel thrown over BOBOs recruiting or does it cover the entire MU FB program??
Posted on 3/25/17 at 1:59 pm to muinsandiegp
GP went 4-7 his first season at Mizzou, 5-7 in year 2. I'm not sure how you are getting huge conclusions on how good of a coach BO will be in 1 season.
He did take Memphis from a bottom 20 defense to a top 20 in 3 years as DC.
He did take Memphis from a bottom 20 defense to a top 20 in 3 years as DC.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 2:22 pm to muinsandiegp
quote:Mizzou's best recruiting classes ever may not rank this high in the SEC
recruiting classes at least 6th or 7th in the SEC
Posted on 3/25/17 at 4:03 pm to URHatinIt
I Agee with "U" to a certain degree "U". (Not going to go back to ancient history) However that is not the point. I fully appreciated what coach Pinkel was able to do as the head of our fb program as he was consistantly able to coach up his roster of predominantly 2&3* recruits to perform more like 3&4* players but I honestly was disappointed in his ability to land the #of true blue chips needed to put MUFB on the next level especially during and directly after when we we winning back to back East crowns and going to the SEC championship game Cotton bowls etc. My optimistic nut cup protector took a lot of hits let me admit. However, there is no reason MU should not be in at least the middle of the SEC recruiting pack. I really do not know why we went away from our successful TX recruting footprint to battle the established SEC powers on their home turf but I think we "may" have learned our lesson at least I hope so.
There is plenty of talent in our Midwest territory to include TX to accomplish what sould be our goal. However, to do so we must first dominate our home state and surrounding areas. What is dominate? Hard to quantify but would use this years crop as a hypothetical example. We need to sign 7 of the top ten local recruits and at least 2 of the 3 true top flight blue chips. If this would be done then I would say we effectively locked down our home state and I would predict at least a middle of the pack SEC class.
Will the above happen? currently I have very realistic doubts but could it,Yes. Should it? Well as MU alums and fans we should require it.
There is plenty of talent in our Midwest territory to include TX to accomplish what sould be our goal. However, to do so we must first dominate our home state and surrounding areas. What is dominate? Hard to quantify but would use this years crop as a hypothetical example. We need to sign 7 of the top ten local recruits and at least 2 of the 3 true top flight blue chips. If this would be done then I would say we effectively locked down our home state and I would predict at least a middle of the pack SEC class.
Will the above happen? currently I have very realistic doubts but could it,Yes. Should it? Well as MU alums and fans we should require it.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 4:10 pm to muinsandiegp
Not even sure how to respond to that, but I'll try.
1. We don't know if BO has GP ability yet or not. We'll find that out in the next couple years. I think he has a lot of the same qualities so we shall see.
2. It's not being a defeatist, it's being a realist. We will always be fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. We need to be very good at identifying and developing.
1. We don't know if BO has GP ability yet or not. We'll find that out in the next couple years. I think he has a lot of the same qualities so we shall see.
2. It's not being a defeatist, it's being a realist. We will always be fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. We need to be very good at identifying and developing.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 4:12 pm
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