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re: More racial tension in Columbia
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:03 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:03 pm to 5thTiger
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But they will be punished, likely expelled. Something I believe is inappropriate (and also excessive, considering it is highly likely the other group threw their own insults).
You may be right here. But that is different than saying steps can't be taken in response to racial epithets being thrown around.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:04 pm to reedus23
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Then you should also understand that the freedom of speech is not absolute
It very nearly is.
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Do you agree that if your boss is black and you call him the N word that he can fire you?
That depends on the policies of the company. As a private enterprise (assuming), I would fully support almost ANY hiring/firing policy they want (of course, as long as they abide by it)
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That's not restricting your right to say it. It's just a consequence of your action.
That is also private enterprise. Not a Public University. I disagree with the policy that the University should restrict speech.....as it will not be enforced equally, or fairly (if there is such a thing).
On the topic of race, it is my belief that the country will never truly proceed until all race-related policies are eradicated (including affirmative action). Truly treating each individual as just that, an individual of his/her own volition.
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You may be right here. But that is different than saying steps can't be taken in response to racial epithets being thrown around.
I've never said they can't, they certainly can. This entire time my argument has been philosophical. I assumed people could and would make that distinction.
It is a matter of what should be, not what is.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:05 pm to the808bass
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Do you advocate for equal punishment for all students using racial epithets?
You aren't going to like this, but yes.. provided the epithets are equivalent.
And we all know they are not.
Chris Rock riffed on this nearly 25 years ago on SNL in "On the Dark Side with Nat X" trying to come up with epithets that hurt as much for white people. The joke was it was laughable to even try, because even if you just called a white person a "white n_gger" like in the sketch (which later became "w_gger") it didn't carry ANYTHING like the weight it does when an white person calls a black person a n_gger.
Even 5th Tiger knows it, that's why it was laughable when he was called something. No one lynched his great grandparent from a tree or is going to drag him behind a pickup truck in Texas.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:08 pm to spytiger
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You aren't going to like this, but yes..x provided the epithets are equivalent. And we all know they are not.
So you don't have a real problem with racial epithets. Just certain ones. I suspected as much. Thanks for elucidating.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:08 pm to the808bass
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A private institution would seem to have more latitude to do "whatever they wanted." A state institution is a little more of a sticky wicket, IMO.
Try walking into a federal courthouse and keep referring to the black judge a "frickin N" and see where you end up. No. Even public Universities can have codes of conduct and those codes of conduct almost by necessity include speech on occasion.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:08 pm to the808bass
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I'm not voting for any of those Sons of Bitches running for President. You take that back.
I truly would vote for you before I'd vote for either of these two.Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:09 pm to reedus23
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Try walking into a federal courthouse and keep referring to the black judge a "frickin N" and see where you end up.
Roughly the same place you'd end up calling any judge any name.
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those codes of conduct almost by necessity include speech on occasion.
Speech codes are relatively a recent addition to student codes of conduct. And speech codes suck.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:14 pm to the808bass
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So you don't have a real problem with racial epithets. Just certain ones. I suspected as much. Thanks for elucidating.
JESUS CHRIST
"I don't know what these CS1950 protesters are on about with their talk of micro aggressions and white privilege and whatnot. It's not like white Mizzou students are going around calling black people n_igger."
Then white Mizzou students actually call black people "n_igger" and it's all "free speech, bro".
AND THEN EVERYONE WONDERS WHY THE UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI IS PORTRAYED AS HAVING RACIAL PROBLEMS
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:15 pm to spytiger
Wait a minute. Hold up.
5th is in law school?
So he possesses the ability to read the black and white, read between the lines, and stay straight?
We need him on the front lines around here.
We need a Dr. Gonzo.
5th is in law school?
So he possesses the ability to read the black and white, read between the lines, and stay straight?
We need him on the front lines around here.
We need a Dr. Gonzo.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:20 pm to spytiger
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"I don't know what these CS1950 protesters are on about with their talk of micro aggressions and white privilege and whatnot. It's not like white Mizzou students are going around calling black people n_igger."
Said no one ever.
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Then white Mizzou students actually call black people "n_igger" and it's all "free speech, bro".
You're struggling with this on an emotional level.
You implied that no racial epithets were equivalent to the one used against blacks. And further implied that because of that, racial epithets shouldn't be punished the same. How would you know they're not equivalent? What makes one racial epithet more serious than another? If you can't come up with an answer beyond "just because," it may suggest to you that your whole line of reasoning is faulty.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:21 pm to reedus23
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I'm not voting for any of those Sons of Bitches running for President. You take that back.
I truly would vote for you before I'd vote for either of these two.
You know what? You just solved it for me! I can't stand either one, still undecided. I'm going to get my ballot and write in "the808bass" for President. Done. Thanks!!
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:22 pm to the808bass
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You implied that no racial epithets were equivalent to the one used against blacks.
Correct.
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And further implied that because of that, racial epithets shouldn't be punished the same.
Correct.
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How would you know they're not equivalent?
History.
An analysis of racial epithets in Japan would come to entirely different results.
Context matters.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:23 pm to Stir of Echoes
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5th is in law school?
Ivy League out here on the east coast.
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We need him on the front lines around here.
I'll be in and out (mostly out) depending on my schoolwork/exam schedule. I try to carve time out each saturday in order to check in during the game.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:27 pm to the808bass
Man, a few words in the Constitution about freedom of expression set in the context of religion has caused so many clusterfuks.
You are free to express yourself in just about any stupid way you like, very few restrictions. And a University is free to suspend or expel you for it. You usually can't be thrown in jail, but you are not protected from non violent consequences.
Why is this so hard for people to get?
You are free to express yourself in just about any stupid way you like, very few restrictions. And a University is free to suspend or expel you for it. You usually can't be thrown in jail, but you are not protected from non violent consequences.
Why is this so hard for people to get?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:27 pm to spytiger
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History. An analysis of racial epithets in Japan would come to entirely different results. Context matters.
This would be hilarious if you weren't serious.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:29 pm to RocketBallz
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And a University is free to suspend or expel you for it.
So if I said, "The University is run by morons," they could expel me or suspend me?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:32 pm to the808bass
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This would be hilarious if you weren't serious.
Enjoy another Mizzou racial shitstorm, I guess.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:33 pm to spytiger
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Enjoy another Mizzou racial shitstorm, I guess.
Enjoy promoting inequality in the name of equality.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:35 pm to the808bass
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Enjoy promoting inequality in the name of equality.
If that is how you perceive it, then thank you. I do.
Fight the power. Or something.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:37 pm to spytiger
What's a shame is that this thread is longer than Stir's thread on the game. 
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