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re: More racial tension in Columbia
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:41 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:41 pm to JesusQuintana
So you're not a reader or a thinker.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:41 pm to 5thTiger
Wow...just wow
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:47 pm to the808bass
I'd have to point that back to you apparently.
"Freedom of speech is a right, even for racists"
"Freedom of speech is a right, even for racists"
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:48 pm to 5thTiger
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I guess you can start by realizing my point, which is one of philosophy.
Do you fall on the autism spectrum? I ask this because you remind me of a lot of engineering students who couldn't... quite... grasp... how other human beings related to each other.
They'd often retreat into structures like this, usually some libertarian or Ayn Randian individualist structure because they had a hard time conceptualizing human social dynamics and felt safe with a more black-and-white structure.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:50 pm to the808bass
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There's no one defending racial slurs.
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Freedom of speech is a right for EVERYONE, even racists
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:54 pm to JesusQuintana
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"Freedom of speech is a right, even for racists"
That's not defending slurs. And it's not hard to distinguish the difference. So you either are pretty stupid or being willfully obtuse.
ETA: If I say it's Colin Kaepernick's right to protest during the anthem, am I condoning his protest or defending it? Or am I simply noting he has the right to protest?
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:56 pm to spytiger
Exactly, this is not an issue of philosophy. It's a very specific issue that's related to the biggest shitstorm in university history that's not even 1 year removed.
The university can not afford to look at this as an isolated incident in its own vacuum because it isn't. Sometimes you have to live in reality.
Do I really care that some idiot called someone a name? No, I don't. Do I think the safe space seekers need to grow a backbone? Yes, I do. That aside, the university handled this 100% correctly and had they handled the prior situation similarly we wouldn't have a massive drop in enrollment and 50k people at football games.
But let's go ahead and head down the same road again because...principles. SMH, frick no
The university can not afford to look at this as an isolated incident in its own vacuum because it isn't. Sometimes you have to live in reality.
Do I really care that some idiot called someone a name? No, I don't. Do I think the safe space seekers need to grow a backbone? Yes, I do. That aside, the university handled this 100% correctly and had they handled the prior situation similarly we wouldn't have a massive drop in enrollment and 50k people at football games.
But let's go ahead and head down the same road again because...principles. SMH, frick no
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:57 pm to the808bass
I guess I'll be willfully obtuse.
In your mind.
In your mind.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:58 pm to spytiger
The Communists have won. We're all almost too stupid to tie our shoes ourselves.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:58 pm to Stir of Echoes
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There's no one defending racial slurs.
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Freedom of speech is a right for EVERYONE, even racists
I see some here struggle with reading comprehension. Defending someones right to say something does not mean I agree with it. In fact, I abhor the things they said.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:59 pm to Stir of Echoes
It's easy enough to distinguish between the right of someone to speak versus approval and agreement with what they are saying. That doesn't change with the distastefulness of their statements.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:02 pm to spytiger
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Do you fall on the autism spectrum?
No, but I am a First Amendment absolutist. It seems those critical of my point don't understand the concept of how limiting speech is a detriment to societal progress.
Also, I appreciate your concern, but I assure you I am just fine. Law School is treating me well. First round of exams was brutal. This Ivy League East Coast culture is significantly different than that in the Midwest, but it is incredible having rousing discussions with those whom I disagree....something I am not enjoying in this thread.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:03 pm to the808bass
You are 100% wrong and that is a stupid comparison.
And my goodness, what an asinine thing to go to bat for. "I don't condone what was said, but I'll fight for the right to say it" fricking why?
The guy is not going to be arrested. He doesn't need a bunch of conservatives white knighting for his right to call someone a ****.
At some point, you all are going to have to realize you're doing nearly as much damage to the university as the protesters and for what?
And my goodness, what an asinine thing to go to bat for. "I don't condone what was said, but I'll fight for the right to say it" fricking why?
The guy is not going to be arrested. He doesn't need a bunch of conservatives white knighting for his right to call someone a ****.
At some point, you all are going to have to realize you're doing nearly as much damage to the university as the protesters and for what?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:03 pm to 5thTiger
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I see some here struggle with reading comprehension. Defending someones right to say something does not mean I agree with it. In fact, I abhor the things they said.
They can say whatever they like.
They don't get a free pass for it though.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:07 pm to the808bass
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The Communists have won.
Yep.
I'm a communist.
I respect you, and your opposing viewpoints. Plus, I honestly believe you're a stand up guy that I would hang with if given the chance.
If you got to know me, you'd understand, I'm not a commie, not at socialist, and barely a leftist. The leftist in me is only brought about by comments like that.
Think about it, you'll get it.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:07 pm to the808bass
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We're all almost too stupid to tie our shoes ourselves.
How dramatic of you.
Yes, we certainly must protect bigots from the consequences of racial slurs or our democracy will surely crumble.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:08 pm to JesusQuintana
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He doesn't need a bunch of conservatives white knighting for his right to call someone a ****.
I would like to point out 5th Tiger is one of the more non-conservative posters here.
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asinine thing to go to bat for
You know how people get into situations they can't get out of? They create a new standard for every situation. If you govern your dealings with people in principles and not pragmatism, you can easily navigate new situations as they arise. If you run around jerking your knee at every breeze that arises, you look like Mizzou's administration the past 2 years.
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doing nearly as much damage to the university as the protesters
Lolz
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:09 pm to spytiger
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They don't get a free pass for it though.
Do you advocate for equal punishment for all students using racial epithets?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:10 pm to Stir of Echoes
My statement was hyperbole. I don't think you're a communist at all.
The Marxists have set about to destroy our education system. And they have succeeded.
The Marxists have set about to destroy our education system. And they have succeeded.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:12 pm to the808bass
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Lolz
Now who is willfully obtuse?
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