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Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:07 pm to muinsandiegp
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:07 pm to muinsandiegp
GP was 5-5-1 his first year as a head coach. Toledo was 9-2 the year before.
His first Mizzou season was 4-7. Both those seasons were similar to what BO did in his first season as a head coach.
His first Mizzou season was 4-7. Both those seasons were similar to what BO did in his first season as a head coach.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:33 pm to muinsandiegp
Wait a second...are you trying to tell me it's highly unlikely that Mizzou wins a NC in football?????
Get right out of town!
Get right out of town!
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:32 am to JesusQuintana
Serious question for ya JQ...
Forget about likely hood of ever happening, but do you expect the AD to hire a HC and put together a program with the aim of competing for a NC? Or do you expect the AD and HC to simply put together a program that is fun to watch and hopefully makes some bowl game most years? And not that I'm saying that it happens every other year but at least at some point in my lifetime.
Again, by expect I don't mean that in terms of likelihood. I'm talking in terms of goals/aims that should be set.
For example, I expect Mo to put together a Cardinal team that competes for World Series. I don't expect him to simply put together a team with the aim to only win more than you lose without competing for a World Series.
Forget about likely hood of ever happening, but do you expect the AD to hire a HC and put together a program with the aim of competing for a NC? Or do you expect the AD and HC to simply put together a program that is fun to watch and hopefully makes some bowl game most years? And not that I'm saying that it happens every other year but at least at some point in my lifetime.
Again, by expect I don't mean that in terms of likelihood. I'm talking in terms of goals/aims that should be set.
For example, I expect Mo to put together a Cardinal team that competes for World Series. I don't expect him to simply put together a team with the aim to only win more than you lose without competing for a World Series.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:46 am to reedus23
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Forget about likely hood of ever happening, but do you expect the AD to hire a HC and put together a program with the aim of competing for a NC? Or do you expect the AD and HC to simply put together a program that is fun to watch and hopefully makes some bowl game most years? And not that I'm saying that it happens every other year but at least at some point in my lifetime.
Of course that is the ultimate goal. If you ask Sterk he will say that, as will Odom. As did Alden, as did Pinkel.
Im not even sure what kind of question that is. Just because you base your evaluations in reality doesn't mean you don't dream just as much as others. Screaming for it/demanding it is incredible folly. I know people don't like to hear it, but its next to impossible. CFB is the most unlevel playing field in all of sport. Nothing even approaches the lack of parity we have. The deck is stacked in a major way against us. Some of that is our own doing by the way we've handled our past, but it is what it is and the fact remains.
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For example, I expect Mo to put together a Cardinal team that competes for World Series. I don't expect him to simply put together a team with the aim to only win more than you lose without competing for a World Series.
Apples and Oranges
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:52 am to reedus23
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I won't go hysterical over it, but Mizzou will never cross that hump until they start landing they key in state players. The idea isn't if you get someone else of equal or better talent. The idea is you get both. That is how you build depth. I'd much rather have the 4* in state player AND the 3* or 4* out of state player than the 3* or 4* out of state player and a 2* or 3* class filler.
Oh, and your list is missing some other names that again, are not program changers, but would have added much needed depth. Jehu Chesson would have been nice to have had last year and was a 4th round pick.
Chesson was one of the players I thought of when I started this thread. However, I put him and the Pipken (sp.?) kid from KC in a different category. I don't know if I hold kids that grew up somewhere else and just move to MO for a year or 2 against the coaches.
Kids like that - MU coaches are working against their roots just like other out of state kids, even if their address is MO for their junior and senior year.
Depth? I think I would rather have a hungry high 3-star from a football factory state than an overhyped 4-star diva from one of MO's metro areas.
There have been a lot of 3- and 4-stars from MO that went out of state just to be a warm body on some team's sidelines for 4 years.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:03 am to Tiger97
Chesson had a great career at Michigan. He wasn't a need in 2012 with the #s in the WR room and the #1 WR in the country as the primary skill Target in a small class.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:01 am to navynuke
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There's an HC, can't remember who, but said, "It's not the ones that get away that kill you, it's the ones you get, and they don't pan out".
It is critically important to have coaches on staff that can both recruit and properly evaluate talent. In addition, top notch facility upgrades will help in bringing in talent.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:43 am to Tiger97
Was talking about missed recruits with a guy at my sons Tee Ball game. He went to school with Grant Wistrom at Webb City. He was telling me how Grant wasn't even really recruitted by Mizzou.
Missing instate recruits for the only D1 school in the state is a problem and it has been a problem for decades.
It is not BO's fault and it is problem that will take years to fix. Making connections with instate coaches and kids will take awhile.
Missing instate recruits for the only D1 school in the state is a problem and it has been a problem for decades.
It is not BO's fault and it is problem that will take years to fix. Making connections with instate coaches and kids will take awhile.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:07 am to MizzouBS
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He was telling me how Grant wasn't even really recruited by Mizzou.
Rusty Medearis was another guy that never considered playing for Stull. Both would have been difference makers for the program.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:30 pm to navynuke
Stull was a seriously bad recruiter. I've heard stories
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