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Extend Kimbo's contract!
Posted on 2/11/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 2/11/17 at 5:10 pm
He's undefeated in the last 2 home games, and is still fairly tall...and a true son!
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:58 pm to Literalist
there's a lot to like. The team plays hard for him and they don't give up even when playing in front of 10 people. There doesn't seem to be any dissension. They are moving the ball well. They play like a team. They are playing defense. They look completely different.
And there are issues with a new coach. No matter who we get they will have to come here, get a staff, get settled in, convert errbody over, set up recruiting. We lose at least a year with a fantastic hire. Likely a couple.
Not taking any kind of stand. Just pointing out issues
And there are issues with a new coach. No matter who we get they will have to come here, get a staff, get settled in, convert errbody over, set up recruiting. We lose at least a year with a fantastic hire. Likely a couple.
Not taking any kind of stand. Just pointing out issues
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 2:56 am to MIZ_COU
Hiring good coaches rarely results in a step back in year one, so I don't buy that "lose at least a year" junk.
We definitely didn't lose a year when Haith took over, and he sucks. Didn't lose a year when Quin came on board—still made the tournament. Didn't lose a year when Mike Anderson was hired.
The only way firing Kim results in a step back or stalled progress is if we hire an equally bad coach.
We definitely didn't lose a year when Haith took over, and he sucks. Didn't lose a year when Quin came on board—still made the tournament. Didn't lose a year when Mike Anderson was hired.
The only way firing Kim results in a step back or stalled progress is if we hire an equally bad coach.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:01 am to MIZ_COU
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MIZ_COU
Stop
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:17 am to JesusQuintana
I'm not arguing for KA but a good point was made. Kelvin Sampson at Wash State was bad for 3 yrs before turning the team around. His 3rd yr was only 7 wins
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:15 pm to JesusQuintana
No
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:22 pm to Rufiosghost
damn double post
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:22 pm to Rufiosghost
You always step back on recruiting. A new coach has to build his own recruiting base, and that takes time. We hire a new coach we won't have any idea what we have until year 3.
Haith inherited a good senior-laden team with nothing behind them. How did the rest of it go for him?
Suitcase Mike didn't do anything until year 3.
Reality is what it is. I know some of youse think we are goin to hire the true savior of Mz bball and he will waltz over to the JUCO corner store and pick up the missing parts and errthing will be great.
Maybe
Haith inherited a good senior-laden team with nothing behind them. How did the rest of it go for him?
Suitcase Mike didn't do anything until year 3.
Reality is what it is. I know some of youse think we are goin to hire the true savior of Mz bball and he will waltz over to the JUCO corner store and pick up the missing parts and errthing will be great.
Maybe
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 7:45 pm to MIZ_COU
I'm beginning to wonder if you even follow college basketball.
New coaches don't need to "build a recruiting base." Quin came in and signed Rush right away, then turned around a year later and signed arguably the best collection of freshman talent we've had in a couple decades. No building needed.
Haith's problems after that first year had nothing to do with needing to build a recruiting base and everything to do with the fact that he didn't want to try to deal with the issue in a responsible way.
Reality is Kim Anderson has been awful for three years, and any excuse about "it takes time" is bull. Pay attention to the college basketball landscape. Good coaches come in and turn things around quickly every single year.
No one's talking like any halfway decent mid-major guy should be able to come in and win 30 games with this bunch, but there are probably a dozen attainable coaches who could easily win several more games next year. All we'll see is progress going forward.
New coaches don't need to "build a recruiting base." Quin came in and signed Rush right away, then turned around a year later and signed arguably the best collection of freshman talent we've had in a couple decades. No building needed.
Haith's problems after that first year had nothing to do with needing to build a recruiting base and everything to do with the fact that he didn't want to try to deal with the issue in a responsible way.
Reality is Kim Anderson has been awful for three years, and any excuse about "it takes time" is bull. Pay attention to the college basketball landscape. Good coaches come in and turn things around quickly every single year.
No one's talking like any halfway decent mid-major guy should be able to come in and win 30 games with this bunch, but there are probably a dozen attainable coaches who could easily win several more games next year. All we'll see is progress going forward.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 9:42 pm to Rufiosghost
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then turned around a year later and signed arguably the best collection of freshman talent we've had in a couple decades.
quote:I'm wondering the same about you
I'm beginning to wonder if you even follow college basketball.
weird
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:10 am to MIZ_COU
Johnson is our all-time leader in blocks and rebounds and fifth in points.
Paulding is in the top 10 in points and also leads Mizzou in points scored in the NCAA tournament.
The only class that even comes close to what those two did in the past 20 years is English/Denmon/Bowers, but AJ and Paulding had a much more immediate impact and had similar individual peaks.
Then throw in Bryant, who was a very rich man's Moore.
You could definitely make an argument in favor of the 2008 class … which is why I said arguably. They're without question in the top two.
That's right out of the gate for a new coach.
There is no period of a few years where a new guy needs to ease into recruiting for Mizzou. Even a halfway decent coach can and will hit the ground running.
Paulding is in the top 10 in points and also leads Mizzou in points scored in the NCAA tournament.
The only class that even comes close to what those two did in the past 20 years is English/Denmon/Bowers, but AJ and Paulding had a much more immediate impact and had similar individual peaks.
Then throw in Bryant, who was a very rich man's Moore.
You could definitely make an argument in favor of the 2008 class … which is why I said arguably. They're without question in the top two.
That's right out of the gate for a new coach.
There is no period of a few years where a new guy needs to ease into recruiting for Mizzou. Even a halfway decent coach can and will hit the ground running.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:00 am to Rufiosghost
So in our best historical case, it was year 2 before he got a class. And that was his best class. So by year 3, we knew what we had coach wise. Opps maybe not, did we know about the coke by then?
Or maybe we will hire a coach and by May he'll have a couple 4/5 stars and we'll be on our way. I mean it's happened here like never before. Seems realistic
Or maybe we will hire a coach and by May he'll have a couple 4/5 stars and we'll be on our way. I mean it's happened here like never before. Seems realistic
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:06 am to MIZ_COU
2018 has the right in state recruits for that to happen.
Watson, Ramey and Gordon are 4-5 star players close to Columbia
2019 also has really good 4-5 star talent in Leech, McKinney, & Hawthorne
Watson, Ramey and Gordon are 4-5 star players close to Columbia
2019 also has really good 4-5 star talent in Leech, McKinney, & Hawthorne
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:33 am to wubilli
If we can get em. Could happen
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:11 am to MIZ_COU
Mizzou guys' roundball is playing well right now. I am impressed with the recent improvement in their play, and the results.
I would not have an issue with keeping Coach Anderson another year.
I would not have an issue with keeping Coach Anderson another year.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:39 am to SDWeltoro
This is exactly why we should have fired him earlier.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:59 am to JesusQuintana
2 games is not enough. If Mizzou wins out, which is not likely, would only get him to 13 wins this year.
18 to win the SEC tournament.
More likely is maybe 1-2 more regular season wins, and maybe 1 in the SEC tournament.
Which would mean 3 straight 20 loss seasons.
18 to win the SEC tournament.
More likely is maybe 1-2 more regular season wins, and maybe 1 in the SEC tournament.
Which would mean 3 straight 20 loss seasons.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:24 pm to wubilli
tl/dr Anderson sux, hire Marshall
I know I know. We have to fire the coach. That's the fix. Just like starting the freshman QB was the fix for the offense in 2015.
If only it really was that simple.
What about a new coach? There really isn't a home run (maybe Marshall?). What about a home run that wants to come here? How far north of 5 mil will Sterk have to go to get them if he can find one? 5 mil is a bunch. I don't know if a season long sellout generates that. There are some mid-major coaches that look to have a lot of upside, but who knows how they will do in P5? It will likely take 3 years to find out. I easily (easily) can see our same ol discussion taking place in two years. He deserves more time. Nope he gotta go. And what kind of relationships is this new guy gonna have in STL and KC to get these in-state guys. The jockeying for those guys is going on now. NOW.
That's not to say it couldn't happen. We could catch lightning and get a new guy that immediately brings in some of these guys. Maybe.
What about Anderson? What if this team keeps improving and finishes strong? I don't know the guy and I don't have the player contacts I used to so I don't know. There was a time I did. I knew Quinn was doing coke and showing up late for practice when he was still the darling of the fans and the media, but no longer. But if I was Sterk I would have some hard questions for Anderson, mostly involving recruiting. What are his relationships to get these guys? What's his plan? How's that going to happen? Why did the WG thing happen and is the exact opposite happening now?
There are things to like about Anderson. His team likes him. They play hard for him. They are jelling. There have been several quotes from players and recruits (that we didn't get) that he knows basketball and they see what he's trying to do. Academic progress has really improved. So has off court issues. And I could point out Norm didn't go to the NCAA until year 9. Or that Frank Martin was 6-12 in the SEC in year 3. Not that I think anyone is willing to give it that kind of time.
The point is it's not a straightforward decision. It's just pluses and minuses and none of us really has the info to even weigh in on that. Nor do we know who is really available. If going to the final four was easy errbody be doin it. And we are not Kansas (fuk them) or Kentucky. A new coach is not going to walk into a system that's all set up for immediate recruiting success. I mean it's pretty good but not KS or KY good. We'd need to build a high end dorm and get some championships before that would even be a possibilty. A new coach is going to have some leg work to do.
I hope Sterk is thinking about all this, but I'm also worried donors are going to force his hand and it won't matter if he's thinking about it or not. What if Keatts is our ceiling? He's completely unproven at this level and is not from the midwest. It might be good and it might not. It's a 3 year committment minimum to find out. And a bunch more cash. What if Keatts isn't interested in the midwest. Then what's is our ceiling?
I know I know. We have to fire the coach. That's the fix. Just like starting the freshman QB was the fix for the offense in 2015.
If only it really was that simple.
What about a new coach? There really isn't a home run (maybe Marshall?). What about a home run that wants to come here? How far north of 5 mil will Sterk have to go to get them if he can find one? 5 mil is a bunch. I don't know if a season long sellout generates that. There are some mid-major coaches that look to have a lot of upside, but who knows how they will do in P5? It will likely take 3 years to find out. I easily (easily) can see our same ol discussion taking place in two years. He deserves more time. Nope he gotta go. And what kind of relationships is this new guy gonna have in STL and KC to get these in-state guys. The jockeying for those guys is going on now. NOW.
That's not to say it couldn't happen. We could catch lightning and get a new guy that immediately brings in some of these guys. Maybe.
What about Anderson? What if this team keeps improving and finishes strong? I don't know the guy and I don't have the player contacts I used to so I don't know. There was a time I did. I knew Quinn was doing coke and showing up late for practice when he was still the darling of the fans and the media, but no longer. But if I was Sterk I would have some hard questions for Anderson, mostly involving recruiting. What are his relationships to get these guys? What's his plan? How's that going to happen? Why did the WG thing happen and is the exact opposite happening now?
There are things to like about Anderson. His team likes him. They play hard for him. They are jelling. There have been several quotes from players and recruits (that we didn't get) that he knows basketball and they see what he's trying to do. Academic progress has really improved. So has off court issues. And I could point out Norm didn't go to the NCAA until year 9. Or that Frank Martin was 6-12 in the SEC in year 3. Not that I think anyone is willing to give it that kind of time.
The point is it's not a straightforward decision. It's just pluses and minuses and none of us really has the info to even weigh in on that. Nor do we know who is really available. If going to the final four was easy errbody be doin it. And we are not Kansas (fuk them) or Kentucky. A new coach is not going to walk into a system that's all set up for immediate recruiting success. I mean it's pretty good but not KS or KY good. We'd need to build a high end dorm and get some championships before that would even be a possibilty. A new coach is going to have some leg work to do.
I hope Sterk is thinking about all this, but I'm also worried donors are going to force his hand and it won't matter if he's thinking about it or not. What if Keatts is our ceiling? He's completely unproven at this level and is not from the midwest. It might be good and it might not. It's a 3 year committment minimum to find out. And a bunch more cash. What if Keatts isn't interested in the midwest. Then what's is our ceiling?
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:31 pm to wubilli
I take comfort in the fact that after the LSU game, KA asked not to be fired until the end of the season, and Sterk agreed.
KA is gone... Gone... Gone... Gone.
However, after two wins in a row.. I knew fan boy would be trying to resurrect, the push to give KA more time.
Sorry, there is absolutely no reason to reward a coach with three consecutive 20 loss seasons.... Not at MIZZOU... Not at any school.
The reason you stated are sufficient enough to send KA down the road.
KA is gone... Gone... Gone... Gone.
However, after two wins in a row.. I knew fan boy would be trying to resurrect, the push to give KA more time.
Sorry, there is absolutely no reason to reward a coach with three consecutive 20 loss seasons.... Not at MIZZOU... Not at any school.
The reason you stated are sufficient enough to send KA down the road.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:35 pm to SemperFi
quote:either you didn't read, or you don't english well
I knew fan boy would be trying to resurrect,
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